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<0> Lupine: if the information carries enough weight, why not
<1> seent/seen
<2> baaba...no..actually he was prob told that voting for the issue could lose him too many votes
<1> "oh, last minute lemme just earmark 50 billion for a new bridge project in my district on this 'defense spending bill'"
<3> even given his golden opportunity to write a new york times editorial last year and pretend he was the real president was wasted because he had no real ideas about what he would have done instead
<4> pork
<2> yep...gotta have dat pork!!!!
<0> CryHavoc: well i don't know the reality of the situation there, i'm just considering all sides :P
<5> baaba: sure, events that carry enough weight would be Dec 7, 1941. Sept 11, 2001 etc
<1> "lemme add a line to buy some tanks from this contractor in my district on this 'feed the homeless' bill"
<6> hey
<3> and that is something in which I would truly have an interest
<0> Lupine: those are hardly comparable in terms of weight
<1> "what you voted against feeding the homeless? are you cruel?"
<3> what the kerry/pelosi/clinton pack would have done instead, I'd really like to see that articulated clearly
<1> that kind of crap goes on all the time.
<2> baaba...the reality is this...House reps and fed senators do NOT work for the people....
<7> heh
<5> nice: on C0PS this old lady uses her gun to scare off burglars.. cops come, and reload the pistol for her :-)
<3> but of course they have no idea
<3> the hot air special
<2> they work for themselves and the special interests that purchased them fair and suqare
<7> my opponent is a pedophile because he voted against this bill ...
<6> Lupine wow
<6> I'm shocked
<5> baaba: you are right. John Kerry has nothing comparable to those.
<1> "my opponent voted against the 'we love america' bill" ..
<5> Rebec: lol, its texas! :-)
<7> haha
<1> obviously he hates america.
<0> no i mean
<6> Lupine that explains it, I should move to Texas
<0> Lupine: i mean those are hardly comparable to eachother
<2> Libertine lol no..my opponent is a COMMIE!
<6> Cry no a fascist and a commie even though they are mutually exclusive
<5> baaba: yes/no. they were just examples of where someones foriegn policy can do a 180 overnight.
<0> the two events you mentioned
<2> Rebexas
<6> thanks I can use the hug I was up til 5am
<0> but okay
<5> plenty of people were isolationists on Dec 6, 1941
<0> i'm not defending kerry either
<1> the fact that politicans actually call "PORK Projects" = 'Projects of Local Koncern" now is sad.
<8> so skype: is it good? bad?
<8> whats the benefit?
<0> i don't want to attack or defend any politician specifically
<6> fisher hmmm ask in #skype?
<2> Libertiine.....PC-ifying the language is par for course
<0> i'm just questioning whether it's wise to support stubbornness
<8> what sense would that make? =P
<3> fascist and socialist are, however, not mutually exclusive (viz. German National Socialist Party)
<8> Libertine, how are things?
<1> we need to elect some rabid anti-federal government types to power and cut the system apart.
<6> gloriae you're entitled to take that view wrong as it is
<5> baaba: confidence in ones choices and actions is a necessary part of being a real leader.
<5> someone who blows in teh wind.. is not a leader.
<0> Lupine: of course
<6> Lupine so many few real leaders though is the problem
<0> Lupine: however also the ability to constantly re***ess the situation
<0> and act accordingly
<3> it's quite literally and obviously true: the german fascists were state socialists
<0> whether the action be remaining with your current course of action or changing it
<5> again, re***ess should never result in a 180degree spin, except for extraordinary events
<3> they didn't ***ume the name 'socialist' for trivial reasons
<1> "the revolution will not be podcasted."
<0> Lupine: if you only have two choices though and you're not 100% for either
<5> baaba: well, we know how the "pull out of iraq" talk brought comfort to Zarqawi and his men, and lead to the direct deaths of US servicemen, and innocent iraqi's.
<6> gloriae whatever I have no desire to get into an argument about what any political scientist knows.
<0> i'd like to take any specific events out of this discussion
<5> baaba: well then, it would be a moot discussion
<0> Lupine: no not really
<0> if a politician has two choices on an issue, and isn't 100% for either
<5> in any event, it seems like those who flip-flop.. only base their actions upon a very limited viewpoint.. and do not fully consider the total picture
<9> yea i dunno that any talk about 'lets pull out of iraq' automatically = sedition or directly leads to solider deaths...that kind of rhetoric is what keeps this country divided
<0> is it wrong of him to be persuaded the other way?
<5> baaba: if he ignores the consequences of his change, absolutely
<0> well that much is obvious
<0> but that's an entirely different issue
<5> godfist: well, we know now by the terrorists own words.. that they were directly aided and comforted by such talk.
<0> again, i don't have enough insight into US politics to really talk about specific issues concerning what kerry voted for or against
<5> baaba: well, it is relatively easy: many US politicians vote a certain way, not because they think it is right.. but because they worry about their politicial careers
<0> i'm just trying to solidify my own views on this by discussing them and trying to see them from another perspective through the opinion of others
<2> baaba one thing Kerry was for was a Draft
<2> odds are was that Kerry would turn Iraq into a supply side war
<5> many politicians vote a certain way, because they want to be re-elected.
<3> perhaps what baaba should examine is the logic behind consistency and inconsistency
<2> gloriae...yes...and how inconsistency as a president will not cut it
<3> one of the reasons many donkeycrats hate bush is that he keeps stealing their lines
<0> i don't advocate inconsistency
<2> Donkeyrats are clueless
<0> but i don't advocate blind stubbornness either
<3> clearly understanding and supporting issues they thought belonged exclusively to them
<10> The solution is to make huge middle cl*** throughout Arabia.
<2> but whats even more amusing...is that the Republitards are also clueless
<3> like a secretary of state who is not only black but a woman or, which way does the PCspeak go, not only a woman but black
<2> YaaKov...LOLOL
<2> and how would you do that?
<11> I am still waiting for the liberal plan for Iraq besides moving our troops somewhere else and wait til iraq needs us what is up whith that murtha
<3> or praising Islam within days of 9/11, refusing to blame the religion itself for the actions of violent sociopathic extremists
<10> CryHavoc: Open a bunch of Wal*Marts and give them vouchers.
<2> SweetLeaf...can you say 'Real Viet Nam?'?
<2> Yaakov...won't work....
<4> quagmire!
<11> that was LBJ's war he was a liberal
<10> CryHavoc: They will also need cars, houses and big screen TVs.
<2> I dought Saudi will pay an indemnity
<11> that is why we lost
<0> gloriae: why would you blame the religion? i blame the interpretation and the people who lead it
<11> if a dem gets in we will lose again
<10> CryHavoc: And homeowner's ***ociations with non-bombmaking covenants in the deeds.
<2> SweetLeaf...if we get Kerry, expect a redux of that
<10> CryHavoc: And PTAs.
<3> forget that, you've been waiting even longer for any liberal plan for addressing terrorism effectively -- but there are some hints about it in how the UN is trying to dance with Ahmadine(ji)had
<0> you might as well blame christianity for everything bad christians did
<4> right, you can't have a democrat pres when there are natl security issues
<11> I dont think kerry has a chance
<2> Yaakov..once again, it will not work
<11> But Billery has
<4> Yaakov, and soccer moms
<3> hey, that's a good one, Yaakov
<2> first, you would have to dump Saudi Ruling house on its ***
<10> CryHavoc: Cell phones, country music, minivans...
<3> (homeowners covenants to refrain from bombmaking)
<11> all she has to do is say she is going to pull out 30 percent of the soldiers
<2> then you exterminate the religious mullahs that run the country
<11> elected
<11> then she can do what she wants
<10> gloriae: I think the homeowner's ***ociations could enforce it! Along with lawn standards.
<3> that vietnam=iraq line is too easy and very false, try again. http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MmE5MDNkYmI1YzU5YmNmNjE3MjQ5MTFkZDkzYTYyNTY=
<2> Homeowner ***'n's are heavy duty
<11> nam was a whole different ball game
<4> i drove through SF yesterday... ppl already had "Hillary for Pres" signs in their windows!
<11> mine is pretty minor but we only have 11 units
<10> CryHavoc: I am joking, in a way, but not entirely.
<3> very different -- the leftoids just push it because they have such a sense of victory about the antivietnamwar movement
<2> Sweet...what I meant was Kerry would start a draft and send the new troops to Iraq as welll...
<11> I was anti nam when I got drafted
<3> you'll find BUSH FOR THIRD TERM in mine, panini , you were driving in the wrong neighborhoods ;)
<11> still am
<11> it was run the wrong way
<10> CryHavoc: If we spent the money developing a bunch of people with something to lose, I think we would have allies.
<4> hehe
<2> and he would have more troops for his next international measure
<4> Bush can legally do a third term
<2> no third term for Bush....
<2> no he can noit
<4> yes he can
<3> doesn't stop me from being in favour of it :)
<2> how so?
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