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<0> Lupine, advocating.. iraq war.. hmm.. as far as i've seen powell did.. bush.. publicly on media.. those in charge.. have all abality.. to share or not share secret documents with others.. not the same for everyone. .
<1> i mean what can you say about the statements i just showed you
<1> some of which dated BEFORE Bush became president
<2> I can say they were all after 9/11.
<1> its quite obvious that they believed Saddam was a threat BEFORE Bush became president
<2> Or most were.
<0> RustyFord, i don't agree with those..
<3> rusty: have you seen this? someone managed to blow up a 454 casull pistol http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2654454
<2> I can say that you didn't post any saying how right they were about the materials.
<1> so.... are you going to be a hypocrite and say Bush is the only one who needs to be in front of a court?
<3> Rusty: bush had a secret time machine, and he traveled BACK in time..
<3> oops.. i mean Karl Rove has one.. *sly grin*
<1> wow Lupine he is lucky he didn't kill his damn self
<2> And for people saying "we need to disarm the terrorists," did this war really do it if so many people believe and there has been evidence shown that the WMDs went to syria?
<0> RustyFord, please don't go personal.. you'd lose quickly much credibility to me.. and i'd be reluctant to talk with you..
<2> Seriously where were all the people wanting to act on the referendum on iraq before 9/11.
<1> pmo, i am asking you are you going to be a hypocrite by trying BUSH only?
<4> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/pfjunkie/crypt-coulter-a.jpg
<1> don't be stupid
<1> there is nothing personal that I have said to you
<1> if you can't handle the facts then get the hell out of the kitchen
<0> sintient, sounds curious.. that at the time of a real regime collapse threat.. saddam thinks it's better to move WMD in another country ?.. makes no much sense to me
<1> Lupine, can he get a new cart for that gun?
<0> sintient, unless it is gold ;-) :)
<2> All he said was is he going to testify about the lead up to 9/11 and intellignece.
<2> Well if weapons were found the US would be justified.
<1> pmo, again, are you going to answer the question?
<0> sintient, but then they should have a really fair amount of gold.. to be any kind of WMD :)
<2> And that would be good for the US foreign policy guys and bad for anyone trying to skirt the UN regulations.
<1> so.... are you going to be a hypocrite and say Bush is the only one who needs to be in front of a court when President Clinton himself AND Al Gore said that Saddam had WMD's before BUSH was president?
<5> The Warren Commission report was a coverup! The Kennedy ******ination was a suicide!
<1> hahahah Yaakov
<2> I asked what the US found in iraq.
<6> pmo, war in Iraq and anywhere against terror is justified, even if France loses money. That is the major bitch in France isn't it? You couldn't steal money from the oil for food program, and lost big contracts there, right?
<0> RustyFord, you go personal, man, sorry... take some fresh air...
<2> France was owed money by saddaam.
<1> there is nothing personal in what i have said
<0> RustyFord, we will talk later if you don't mind
<1> I am asking ARE YOU GOING TO BE A HYPOCRITE BY ONLY HOLDING BUSH RESPONSIBLE?
<2> ANd france has a large muslim population and they don't want foreign troops on muslim holy land simple koranomics.
<1> because you obviously can't answer me
<2> Bush is the president.
<7> it's worse than mere hypocrisy
<2> Bush the at the top of the food chain with veto power and the most influencial man in the country.
<7> it's mindless reductionism
<6> sintient, and?
<2> You want to pretend that bush doesn't have the highest security clearance?
<1> can't answer the question, so accuse the person of being "personal"
<2> The most responsibility to the american people?
<2> Who else is elected by the entire country?
<7> sintient: and so what? events are generally larger than any single person, regardless of how highly placed that person is.
<0> RustyFord, no i don't feel much hypocrite.. as HOLDING BUSH CRUCIAL RESPONSABILITY ON THE WAR IN IRAQ
<2> So he still has more responsibility to america and more knowledge on the subject than anyone else.
<7> except that's reductionist and mindless
<1> pmo, so, we only hold Bush responsible then?
<2> You don't want to hear from him about 9/11?
<1> pmo, why shouldn't we hold Clinton and Gore responsible?
<7> the war in Iraq is a good thing, so no problem
<6> pmo, then you are dead wrong, the congress also was with Bush.
<7> *was
<7> Tailor: right
<2> Over 100 congressman voted against the war.
<1> TheTailor, as were 30 other countries
<6> pmo, war in Iraq and anywhere against terror is justified, even if France loses money. That is the major bitch in France isn't it? You couldn't steal money from the oil for food program, and lost big contracts there, right?
<7> and the American people in majority
<2> Repeats.
<6> sintient, what vote was that?
<7> wow, this has been beaten to death almost as much as making Clinton face a grand jury for a blowjob.
<0> RustyFord, because they were not in charge.. because they are not supposed to handle.. all secrets documents provided by secret services and special forces
<1> but of course the French think they are the only allies of the USA
<2> The vote for right to use power.
<1> the USA can't act without France
<1> hahahahah
<2> Authorization of force on iraq.
<1> geuss we proved them wrong on that point
<0> TheTailor, they were.. according to information provided by US authorities...
<1> pmo, yes and what about the other 30 countries that helped us in Iraq?
<6> sintient, in the house?
<2> Still why wouldn't you want to hear from bush.
<6> pmo, there were what?
<1> are you going to HOLD them responsible as well?
<2> Yes congressmen.
<1> or ONLY Bush?
<7> no, the right exists whether it's voted for or not. The vote only allows for its exercise in a specific way
<2> Now being asked to tell america what happend doesn't mean you are to blame.
<3> Rusty: but teh US acted "unilaterally"
<6> sintient, if that's true then the vote was over 80% FOR the war then, right?
<2> You are over reacting to what he said rusty.
<1> you know like Spain, Denmark, Ecuador, Mongolia, Japan, Poland
<2> You can't gather that from a statement of over 100.
<3> pmo: explain why all those public statements by senators BEFORE bush was in office..
<2> You don't know how far over 100.
<1> not to mention that Bush followed the law
<1> the Senate resolution on removing Saddam from power
<6> sintient, I can fro 101
<2> There was a referendum on pitting the us against iraq since 98.
<7> good
<2> Could be 102.
<8> "All that is neccesary for evil to flourish is for goo' <--- deep man :P
<2> Could be 140.
<0> TheTailor, sorry couldn't follow our conversation..
<6> 102 would also be over 80% FOR
<2> You are being petty.
<2> Go look it up.
<2> If you want the exact number I am sure it is there.
<6> You are being stupid.
<1> hey its mister Cut and Run himself
<2> You are.
<2> lol
<6> sintient, you made the claim, provide a link.
<1> eww it was a little runny
<2> Seriously you are trying to pretend that every congressman.
<2> Oh so now when you claim something are you going to provide facts?
<7> sintient, TheTailor, whether you agree or disagree with his or others' views, does make good logical arguments bolstered by facts.
<2> I won't do it unless you agree.
<1> hey pmo, are they still rioting in France?
<0> Lupine, can't tell.. you may give me some more clues.. about your arguements.. personally i just ended up.. clinton's book, where he mentioned.. bush was all about iraq before WTC.. while himself mentioned his concerned of al qaeda since 95
<6> Agree with what?
<2> To promise to back up your stances in the future.
<0> TheTailor, you go personal, too, useless..
<6> I didn't make a stance, you made a claim.
<7> the part of the US government concerned with foreign policy was 'about Iraq' before Bush was even in office.
<1> "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of m*** destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
<1> President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.
<1> "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of m*** destruction program."
<1> President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.
<6> pmo, answer the question, was France in it for the money or not?
<7> it'd been an issue all throughout the Clinton years.
<7> now we are occupying it, and it was long overdue.
<2> WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of m*** destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.
<2> Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133.
<2> http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/11/iraq.us/
<2> BOOM FACTS!
<0> TheTailor, french gov.. i don't think so.. but french industry, yes.. and oil too
<2> Watch now the next time thetailor makes a statement he won't back it up.
<2> Or he just won't ever make a statement.
<6> sintient, fine, overwhelming support for the war effort, BOOM, fact.
<3> lol.. nice collection of landings at St Maarten http://members.cox.net/golftango/
<7> sintient: wow, your arrogance precedes you. That'd be ok, if you had good arguments.
<2> Seriously 133 congressmen and 22 senators isn't nothing.
<0> RustyFord, yes.. and he used .. air fighters.. at the time..
<6> sintient, what was it in the senate?
<2> All I said was over 100 congressmen voted against the war.
<2> What is so arrogant about a true statment like that.
<6> sintient, yes, vague.
<0> RustyFord, a couple of air fighters.; made saddam behave differently..
<2> I was just saying it wasn't like 100percent.
<2> There were people who thought better not to.
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