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<0> freakin disgusting
<0> but it didn't make the news
<1> Its probably what the world would look like without the USA as a world leader in moral causes and willing to fight for rightous causes.
<0> at the time only Abu Ghraib made the news
<2> Freeisme: that certainly is a stain upon their peacekeeping operations, but I'm not sure that it weighs a lot in the balance of things, if you try to weigh the good their peacekeeping missions do
<1> Rusty the US punishes its own when they do bad, and punish them strongly, the UN people get off easy.
<0> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/UN/peace.html ,--- here you go FT
<3> nite you all
<4> fun in here tonight, eh?
<0> sorry that was in 1997
<1> We are the only nation left practically couragous enough to use the death penalty for the most vile crimes (I dont approve of it for regular crime, but for the most evil crimes I do)
<0> but it illustrates the point
<0> where's e-Hernick now?
<0> *crickets*
<2> Also, I would say that the UN does have some good organisms.. What about the ITU.. WHO.. ICAO.. IAEA.. UPU.. UNICEF.. and I'm sure there are other good ones
<0> yeh leeches
<1> e-hernick, their civil rights commission said the USA was the msot racist country in the world and the opposite is true we are the most racially diverse nation in the world with more different people than anywhere else and they all have opportunities to do very well in the USA.
<0> are organisims
<0> great organisims
<1> We are probably one of the only countries which have lots of millionairs of every racial groups
<0> we give 25% of the UN's funding
<1> Not that money is a measure of success but it proves that opportunity exists for anyone in this country.
<0> the most in the world
<0> but somehow we are the bad guys
<1> Rusty oh yeah we support it. We pay for it. IN this world today with the EU and China and Russia its absurd that we pay for it except that it gives us some power to keep it from becoming absolutely 100% corrupt..
<2> well, racial diversity and social inequity tends to foster racism. I expect that an ethnically undiversified nation would have less racism than a melting pot nation.
<1> I mentiones WHO
<0> e-hernick we have less racism
<0> than any other country in the world
<0> i will go toe to toe with you about that
<2> What about the WTO?
<0> what about it?
<2> It certainly is imperfect
<2> But is it bad?
<1> No actually a little white swedish or Norwegian countyr has no right to accuse of racism.
<1> they have no right to even comment on it.
<0> were we talking about WTO or were we talking about racism?
<0> E-Hernick do you have a problem with staying on subject?
<0> what about your mamma?
<0> i mean really
<2> Freeisme: oh, they have every right to.. just like Mahmood Ahmadi Nejad has every right to spout his evil crap.
<2> I don't presume to tell anybody that they have no right to comment on certain issues
<1> And if you look at other countries what racial minorities htey have our isolated, segregated and diminished. here they are integrated given opportunity and full support and equality under the law.
<2> as distasteful as their positions may be
<0> e-Hernick that includes genocide in your mind right?
<1> Abusive Domain or User
<0> from your earlier comments
<2> Freeisme: I posit that racial integration may well lead to greater racism
<1> E-hernick, thats where you and I disagree.. He has the right to say it but he doesnt have the moral right to say it, now think about the difference.
<0> wowwowowowow!!!
<1> everyone has the right to free speech but not the moral right speech.
<0> this guy talks about racism and then says integration is the problem
<0> hahahhaha
<1> Nambla has the right to free speech but they are morally wrong.
<0> niiiiice
<2> sure, but morals are relative.
<2> Nobody can claim to have the "right" morals
<1> You cant just say right and wrong are opinions they are not opinions.
<0> i have proved my point
<2> Nobody can make a claim to know good and evil for sure.
<0> i don't need to say more i will just let him hang himself
<2> Most of those who do are religionists who are using their religions' definition of good and evil.
<1> Right is fighting for freedom and liberty, Wrong is Genocide and holocausts and ruling with an evil thumb a people like fidel castro does, member of the Human rights commission.
<1> It makes a mockery of the human rights commission.
<1> No man is king in america, not even George Bush but the difference is George Bush knows it.
<1> In a lot of these countries who vote, the rulers have absolute despotic power.
<2> One might argue that "spreading freedom and democracy", when it involves m***ive air ***aults and civilian casualties, might not be "Right"
<1> Which is how you get countries like Cuba as watch dogs for the worlds human rights.
<1> I dont believe in Spreading Democracy
<0> e-Hernick, yeh but when does it stop?
<1> I believe in Spreading freedom
<0> when they are bombing us instead of us bombing them?
<1> If democracy is the way to spread freedom then I support it.
<1> If not I dont.
<2> the problem is that the act of spreading freedom will result in loss of freedom for a great many people, who will die and lose all ability to make choice, who will lose all freedom
<0> we have been taking islams radicalism for damn near 40 years
<1> In Iraq I support it, it is the only way diverse people can come to gether in one government.
<0> we are a part of their world
<0> and they are part of ours
<1> In a single ethnic nation a monarchy could actually work to spread freedom
<0> they play nice and we will play nice back
<0> if they choose to blow us up and support terrorists we will do back to them
<2> "Spreading freedom", a nice euphemism for war, implies that there will be violence. Freedom will be reduced, as a great many people will be mobilised for combat, they will have no other chose but to fight and risk their lives. Many will dead, ten times more will be hurt.
<1> especially if the monarch has the consent of the govern, which is sort of a Republican form of government, if they have they cosent of the mjority and they are moving in the right direction
<0> we didn't start this ****
<2> Again, the "right direction" can hardly be defind.
<0> e-Hernick if not for war you wouldn't have the freedom to say what you are saying here on the irc
<1> It doesnt have to be votes. it doesnt have to be an elected body but in Iraq it sure should be.
<0> face that fact straight out
<5> Man, Hiddekel needs a reboot I think.
<1> Given the type of country it is, its about the only way it could succeed.
<0> instead of repeating this noam chomskey crapola
<2> splitting it in parts could also work, who knows
<1> Right is very obvious to me, you may have difficulties with it.
<2> I do not claim to hold a standard by which right and wrong, good and evil may be judged.
<1> Put issues before me, Anything And i will tell you whats right and moral there are some issues which are harder than other to decide but they are not the big issues.
<0> e-hernick apaprently you do
<2> A universal standard. I make my own judgements, but I realise that morals are not absolute.
<0> <+e-Hernick> "Spreading freedom", a nice euphemism for war, implies that there will be violence. <--- apparently you can't even back up your OWN WORDS
<1> cruel totalitarianism is not moral for example.
<1> Guilt without trial is not moral.
<0> god i love hypocrites
<1> I am not for spreading freedom through war
<1> I am in some circumstances.
<2> Freeisme: there are many cases in which no trial is required to prove guilt
<0> so?
<0> there should not be a trial?
<1> I believe it was right in Iraq and I believe it would be right in some countries where open genocide is happening like possibly Darfur. But every country is different,.
<0> wow
<1> Some can be convinced diplomatically to reform like Libya.
<0> i say we just convict him now for being a subversive piece of ****
<1> Iran could reform on its own with the right incentives and pressures..
<2> what about north korea
<0> throw away the ban key so he can't ever get into the channel again
<0> no trial no nothing
<0> what about what?
<2> ostensibly they are a bigger nuclear threat than iraq, and the north korean people are far more repressed than the iraqis ever were
<1> North Korea is morally a vaccum, its a nation of walking dead..
<0> e=Hernick you have serious issues with staying on topic don't you
<1> Vampyres.
<0> i mean really
<0> you get the smack down in what you believe and then pop out with "What about"
<1> Ive seen documentaries snuck out of North Korea and that regime is purely evil and I wouldnt be opposed to a war against it.
<0> hahaha
<0> its hilarious
<1> if other free countries would join us rather than oppose us we could at least right the most egregious wrongs in the world.
<2> I agree, but there is no way to attack north korea without risking seoul
<0> hey US-Male what about those leggings you are wearing?"
<5> ****sakes.
<1> for one half the money we spend a year on global warming we could solve all hunger and poverty problems and medicinal problems in the world if evil governments would give us access to help their people.
<0> all that is needed for evil is you to do nada
<0> =) that should work pickle=)
<1> E-hernick, Right
<5> And that's the way it has to be until either those ***hole servers are delinked or the botnet is k-lined on them.
<1> And there is no way to attack Russia whether its good or bad , Its not bad enough to find cause to go to war with now, but if it were bad we couldnt do anything because they have nukes, thats true.
<1> Abusive Domain or User
<5> Unlikely since those two servers are run by people who either don't give two ****s about or actively encourage script kiddites to run botnets.
<1> Which is why we can not allow Iran to have nukes no matter the cost.
<2> "no matter the cost" ?
<2> The USA does not have the ability to pay the ultimate cost to prevent Iran from developing nuclear capability, that is, mount a full-scale invasion of Iran.
<1> Once they get nukes, We have lost the ability to stop the number 1 terrorist nation in the world which ironically has some of the best kids in the world under 30.
<2> Iran is way stronger than Iraq.
<0> its used to be they woud get the k'd
<1> Or paradoxically. its a nation divided by evil leaders and followers and those who just try to survive but dont believe in their government.
<0> nice
<0> hey Voids
<0> hahaha
<6> Hi cutie
<1> We would never have to have a land war with iran all we need is to bomb the **** out of its undergound nuclear facilities and do it repeatedly
<0> you are still gay
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