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<0> if we would have been big in Somalia in 1991
<0> Rwanda wouldn't have happened
<0> hows that?
<1> since when does somalia affect rwanda
<2> wait, I'm on comcast. Dont do a comcast ban pls ;)
<0> |bob its a not brainer
<1> well, suppose that I have no brane
<1> explain it
<3> "If we had done X, genocide would have been prevented!!"
<4> thats kind of true
<3> simplistic ***ertion
<4> though
<0> we would have had major force in Somalia
<4> think about it



<4> anyway, im off to sleep
<0> that would have prevented the genocide of 900,000 rwandans
<4> night Hemi
<1> RustyFord: how
<0> they would have been jhonnies on the spot
<1> the rwandans weren't fighting the US
<0> |bob no duh
<0> neither were the Yugo's
<3> If Albert Einstein had exterminated Young Hitler with an Icepick in the Cloakroom, the genocide of 90,000,000 soviets would have been prevented
<0> |bob if i am not mistaken the UN was formed to stop genocide?
<3> The UN was formed to prevent WW3
<0> but hey what do i know about international law....
<1> e-hernick is right
<1> "to prevent the scourge of war"
<0> e-hernick i would suggest you look up the UN charter
<0> and then get back to me
<3> RustyFord: do you have a point?
<0> e-hernick you have a problem with following conversation?
<3> RustyFord: I ***ert that "the UN was formed to prevent WW3" is a more accurate description of the original UN mission than "formed to stop genocide"
<0> if you do i would suggest you find another forum
<0> I never said it was formed to stop genocide
<3> RustyFord: Now, telling me to "read the UN charter" is not a proper reply
<0> i ask that you look up the UN charter
<0> if you can't handle that then i wonder what is your goal ?
<1> RustyFord: it says "prevent future generations from the scourge of war". why don't you look it up?
<3> RustyFord: that's a dismissal. What about, next time you ask me a question, I say: "go read the constitution!" or "go read some other document, otherwise you can't take part in this discussion!".. it's ridiculous.
<0> the UN charter doesn't even mention "preventing ww3"
<0> hahahhaha
<1> er, save
<0> e-Hernick no more dismissive than "do you have a point"
<5> Abusive Domain or User
<0> so
<0> what is YOUR point?
<0> or are you one of those who only uses international law to say "ITS BUSHS FAULT!"
<0> oh wait
<0> thats right
<3> RustyFord: my point is that the UN charter begins with "to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and"
<0> and?
<0> genocide is not a scourge of war?
<3> " which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind"
<0> yes and?
<3> it's clear that the "scourge of war" refers to WW1 and WW2
<0> genocide is not a scourge of war?
<6> REDMOND, Wash. (AP) - Microsoft Corp. Chairman Bill Gates announced Thursday that he will transition from day-to-day responsibilities at the company he co-founded to concentrate on the charitable work of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
<3> twice in our lifetime
<0> genocide was not a part of the scourge of war?
<3> we're refering to world wars here
<0> in either ww2 or ww1?
<5> Americans should be proud to be in iraq and Proud to die for a cause greator than themselved, if only we all had that kind of courage.
<0> how many excuses can you make ?
<1> US-Male: :(
<0> Freeisme
<0> isn't that awesome
<6> bob is that bad
<0> people actually think that genocide should not be a UN mandate that the scourge of war doesn't include genocide
<0> NICE!



<3> RustyFord: The UN charter does not mention genocide once. However, the first sentence of the charter mentions WW1 and WW2.
<3> Likewise, troll.
<0> I bet e-Hernick also has a multiple definitions for the word "is"
<0> i love how he took the first sentence out of the UN charter
<0> and ignored the rest
<0> the whole "human dignity and international law part"
<5> What are you guys debating so I might straighten you out :)
<7> Freeisme -- how was the movie?
<0> to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and
<0> to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained
<5> Kali, What movie ?
<5> haha... Good.
<7> Freeisme weren't you going to go watch a movie??
<5> Abusive Domain or User
<0> Freeisme ohh its just revisionist crap by e=Hernick
<0> trying to explain why under Clinton we didn't go into Rwanda
<5> Its where I got the channel title from which I had written down before asyou know edmund Burke is one of my favorite British historical figures. The Father of American Conservatism. I quote him often or rrefer to him often.
<0> so e-hernick
<0> would you like to carry on this foolish conversation?
<3> Freeisme: Well, the debate is fairly simple. We are wondering which of the following two statements best describes the reason why the UN was founded: 1. "To prevent WW3" or 2. "To prevent genocide"
<0> or get owned some more?
<5> "Tears of the sun" Even though its a movie it really puts the iraq war into perspective and reminds me why more resolve than every is needed to determine to win and to never give in.
<3> The supporting document being the UN charter, which does not contain the word genocide, but opens with the following statement: "WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and"
<0> e-Hernick so you ignore the rest of the preliminary statement?
<0> WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED
<0> to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and
<0> to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and
<0> to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and
<0> to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,
<0> to "reaffirm faith in FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS"
<0> gee Hernick?
<5> And how we support the enemy when congresspersons on the floor of the house speak cowardly to our brave men sending hope and support to our enemies and I think disgusting our best men and women fighting in iraw.
<0> hahah FT! exactly
<7> RUSTY! cut that out
<0> hahahah
<5> The UN Has never accomplished anything in fact if you weigh on a balance the damage and the good its done its very hard to know how it would balance out.
<0> Kali, i am sorry i am just mocking the donkeys
<7> Rusty -- ooooooook -- just don't get tooo carried away...
<5> When Fidel Castro is on the Human Rights Commision its a joke and we should pull most of its funding but not all.
<0> Kali, most people see it as a joke until you showed up!
<3> The UN has issued some very serious resolutions!
<5> we should fund the most primary purpose which is to give the international world a forum to discuss world issues
<7> Rusty - been reading all night so there!
<0> Kali heh i been here all day before you showed up
<0> so "there!"
<7> Rusty - oh I can believe that one -- but ya see I worked today...
<5> All the sub groups of the UN except for the World Health Organisation isnt worth a ****.
<3> Freeisme: I believe that UN peacekeepers have been effective in a few situations.
<0> in fact mostly i don't even come on here at night because i can't stand the night time crowd
<5> And is that an American opinion ?
<0> they are far to touchy
<5> No My good friend who was a diplomat at the UN Representing Columbia got so sick of the uselessness of the UN he quit.
<0> FT, its couldnt be because people don't bother to read the charter could it?
<0> they think "ohh I am in the UN! i have a voice!"
<5> The UN peacekeepers have been ****ing 13 year old girls in Africa and some f them have filmed it. which is nice so we somebody could prosecute them only who is prosecuting them ?
<5> Rusty its because it represents the world without a leader..
<0> FT, i had a picture of dutch UN peacekeepers throwing a chick over a fire from Africa
<0> i might still have it somewhere
<0> freakin disgusting


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