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<0> Rusty: doesn't really matter ... animals can tell when you care about them <1> http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5163 <2> brb <3> it knew death was real near <3> and fought against it <3> yah know? <4> Rusty to say there is no way the calf could of got up if it did is a contradiction. <5> well, many animals have an amazing ability to act-not-injuried or sick <4> You simply do not understand how it got up, and why it did. <4> Nor do I. <3> FT, if my *** was missing like that FT <3> I wouldn't have got up <3> hahahaha <6> lupine happy holiday <3> that is what is the amazing part <5> seen enough catastrophic road-side accidents, where if it was a person, would be screaming in pain
<4> Rusty, If you want to believe your eyes thats fine, I need more than just eyes which are signals sent to my brain and recorded <0> okay, can we switch topics? <5> RG: right, many animals can go thru unspeakable horrors and not act different <3> Lupine yeap <0> I've had enough death recently <4> OcDoc, you dont like skepticism as a topic ? <4> Oh Death, Ok.. <4> Sorry <0> Free: no, I've lost a favourite pet and a prospective daughter in law <3> Lupine thats what i was trying to say earlier, animals are wicked resiliant, i just never realised HOW resiliant <4> I hear you my brother in law had a brain anuerism and is in a coma in the hospital. <0> Free: sorry <3> oh no FT=( <4> Abusive Domain or User <3> the same brother in law you were talking about a couple months ago? <0> but we can talk about skepticism if you like <3> who you were trying to convince to get help??? <4> OcDoc, Oh I think you told me, I am very sorry.. Yeah you did tell me, I forgot. Very tragic, I am sorry again. <0> thanks <4> I remember the circumstances. <5> one thing that I do not like about many "skeptics" is thou, they like to paint with an overly broad paintbrush <4> Lupine, I dont. <0> and my aunt just lost here sister, although that wasn't so sad ... she was gone a long time before she died <4> But lets change subjects. <3> Lupine, well there has to be "some kind of energy" there <4> OcDoc, the other one is very tragic. <3> the warmth and caring etc <1> man the NYTimes is a menace <0> yeah, wife is down helping her son move this weekend, so I was baching it <0> salstress: they're in the entertainment biz <4> Ouch.. <0> Rusty: scientistic people MUST oppose mysticism wherever they find it <5> FT: dunno how reliable it is, but found a comprehensive list of all abraham donations to <5> http://www.capitaleye.org/abramoff_recips.asp?sort=R <3> ok ok, in a major crossing point of Pakistan and afghanistan a suicide bomber drove from Pakistan into Afghanistan and blew up a bunch of "innocent people" that were watching a wrestling match <0> Rusty: mysticism is alright as long as it's in the church, but the minute it sets foot into the real world we have to fight it <4> Ok, How about something other than health care related, religious miracles or wiretapping which we went on for hours about last night. What else. How many people think Roe will be overturned ? <4> I dont. <0> nopr <1> OcDoc, I think they have a responsibility to the US <3> OcDoc, i agree <0> salstress: why? <4> I think you wont see a activist court you will see a strictor (As opposed to strict) constructionist court. <6> freetrade i will personally overturn it myself <3> but science does not yet explain everything <3> hell it doesn't even explain half of everything <0> salstress: does the National Enquirer have a responsibility to the US? <4> Redfish heh.. Thats what individual liberty is about ;) <3> OcDoc, how many diseases has science cured/stopped? <6> rusty exactly 3 <4> Well wait <4> Luekemia <3> out of how many? <4> Colon Cancer <6> out of 4 <0> Rusty: science doesn't have to explain everything at once <4> lung cancer <3> OcDoc, hahahah <3> good one <4> Thats just in my sisters ward <5> Free: i hope RvW is returned to, and that the limiations RvW recognized are re-implimented..
<0> Rusty: if you try to claim something that doesn't make sense, science can prove it false <4> Hodgkins luephoma ? SP? <4> And other cancers. <3> so science can not explain the bond between the powers of humans to be able to wish and hope for someones life <0> Rusty: that's all science can ever do <3> its just not explained yet, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist <4> then there are a huge number of bacterial diseases science and doctors have ccured. <0> Rusty: why should science explain that? <6> freetrade what are you doing today for the holiday <3> because i believe that it does exist <4> There are snake bites where science and doctors have saved patients as well as save from poisons, sceptic shock, internal bleeding. <3> there are powers that humans have that they are unaware of <0> Rusty: certainly, but why does science have to explain it? <3> and they are dismissed <4> Gastroenterology, Saved my esophagaes. <3> because they aren't scientific <6> freetrade has many esophagaes <0> Rusty: nope there you've gone too far <4> Redfish this is not a working mans holiday <5> HAHHAAH "ye be warned" http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=6381 <4> Its a federal holiday <6> freetrade a lot of businesses observe it <3> well thats the whole thing OcDoc, there are many of those who dismiss things that happen because they can't be scientifically explained <0> Rusty: there are no powers that humans have <7> Things that aren't provable in the realm of the physical world aren't "scientific" <0> Rusty: no, that's not true <7> by definitiuon <4> Redish, huge corproations who see it in their interest. <3> OcDoc, i am not talking "scientists" <0> we only dismiss claims of supernatural powers that can be proven false <4> Public relations. <3> i am talking just "regular good ole rednecks" <3> hehehhe=) <4> I admire doctor king <3> OcDoc, thats the whole thing! <4> But there are a number of holidays I work on, like presidents day. <8> have a flash spot in my vision now <6> you work on presidents day? you are a horrible person <4> heh <0> Rusty: a good scientist/skeptic can prove that there are no supernatural powers <8> but the soldering gogles are so dark you can't see what you are doing, I need one of those 10 level auto-darkening hoods <3> people who can't explain the "Supernatural" immediately first off they label the unexplained as Supernatural, and secondly dismiss them because they can't be scientifically proven <4> Construction industry in general tend to work more days, overtime, they go with the flow, buisness is slow right now. so no hurry. <7> you can't prove a negative. you don't prove that something doesn't exist. The burden of proof lies with the claimant to provide a substantial body of evidence to support their claim <4> Rusty, No people dont neccesarily dismiss them they suspend judgement. <0> Rusty: I can always explain supernatural powers as a hoax and show how the hoax was carried out <4> You understand that ? <3> exactly <4> You tell me XYZ happened i suspend judgement like any good skeptic does, and file it away as a case in my mind. <3> you instantly label it as a hoax <7> If you think you have supernatural powers and you can prove it, Randi will give you a million dollars. It's waiting for you right now! <0> Rusty: if it doesn't make sense I dismiss the supernatural part of it, even if I don't know how the hoax was committed <7> go get it! <4> Then if its every discovered by science I bring the file back out. <3> when you can't prove it scientifically <3> you won't even leave the question open <0> Rusty: I label it as a hoax because it HAS TO BE a hoax <4> I leave questions open. always <3> FT that was for OcDoc <4> If I dont have an answer, I file it like a dead case file. <0> Rusty: the only question I leave open is HOW the hoax was committed, I may not be smart enough to figure it out <4> I have abn answer today to spontaneous human combustion. I didnt at age 15 <3> OcDoc, labelling something a "hoax" is much like labeling it an act of "god" when you can't explain it <4> Its scientific. <4> Act of God is broadly used to describe acts of nature. <0> Rusty: that is not true.. those are not symmetric situtations <4> And thats what it means in contracts. <3> for the longest time no one ever heard of "super lightening" they didn't think it existed until 1 of them blew up the space shuttle on re-entry <0> Rusty: we know how the real world works, and anything that doesn't fit in is a hoax until proven otherwise <4> Rusty but it was a science was it not ? <4> The only debate is what falls within the laws of science and what is claimed to be super natural, thats all. <3> yes its scientific NOW <0> Rusty: what?! blew up the space shuttle?
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