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<0> there are a lot of blacks up north
<1> RustyJeep, there really should not still be large pockets of undereducated, jobless, minority populated run down sectors in our otherwise economically booming cities
<2> buffalo?
<3> yeh Madscribe
<2> lol
<3> Buffalo, Syracuse, Rochestor
<3> NYC
<3> Binghamton
<0> but the north generally ranks better in education too
<2> hell jamestown even has sizable populations
<0> hmm..
<4> in cities, but not most of the state
<3> ohh man, i just popped my back, and it was good
<1> its not like poor blacks have gated their communities to keep out the white riff raff :)
<2> most of the population of upstate ny is in cities timur
<4> crooked: really?
<3> this is going to sound racist but, i am going to wing it out there anyway.... as much as white people do not want to move to black neighborhoods, I suspect that its just the same the other way around
<1> anyway, if anyone is interested in watching A Cl*** Divided... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/divided/etc/view.html
<1> RustyJeep, possibly
<3> just like alot of indians would rather live on the reservation than in either of the 2 above
<5> i speak on behalf of all black people
<5> fyi
<2> yeah i think that is true RustyJeep
<5> and i say
<6> Sullivan Co--about 7 percent of population is black, compared to the Bronx, where it's 36 percent.
<5> "no one cares"
<1> but i also think that a single mom in a dnagerous neighborhood would be glad to get out of there regardless of who her new neighbors were
<5> :p
<4> RJ: nope.
<4> blacks in ghettos want to move to white areas.
<3> and by the way, I lived in a black neighborhood, and was discriminated against MANY times
<4> I see it happening all the time here.
<5> i would say that most people in the hood and abroad are content with where they are
<5> the majority ^
<4> RJ: well, as a former cl***mate of mine put it, ppl in ghettoes are as backward and provincial as any hillbilly.
<4> cincio: nope.
<1> Timur, i don't think their intention is to move to white areas, just to get the hell out of where they are now!
<5> isn't there more whites on welfare
<5> then blacks?
<5> ...
<4> Linus: right
<3> Timur yeap, thats the thing that pisses me off is the people who complain about racism, but never look at the plank of wood in their own eyes
<1> and why in 2006 do we still have terms white areas?
<4> RJ: same, but that doesn't diminish any given source of it
<5> i would say per square acre there are more trailer parks
<5> then "hoods"
<1> cioncio, population density more meaningful figure
<5> yah
<5> :p
<5> but i just said land m***
<3> Timur, actually I know some blacks that don't want to leave the "ghettos" they prefer it, its a "badge of honor" to them almost in some ways
<5> in which they occupy
<5> :p
<5> yah but
<5> if u gave them a week
<1> we all know about the lab rat experiments re: overcorwding
<5> in my oceanside condo
<5> in the OC
<5> u think they'd moveback?
<3> heheh i used to know this one dude who lived in THE most nasties looking house on the outside
<5> given the vhoice..
<5> choice*]
<3> you went inside and it was freakin BEAUTIFUL
<4> RJ: I know of some, and usually those who have some hope of improving the conditions there
<3> all hard wood floors, completely modern and redone
<3> he did all the work himself
<6> Timur, boy it was cold yesterday :) I nearly frooze my ears off
<3> it keeps his taxes down=)))
<6> I was at Union Square with friends last night. brrr.
<4> hans: cool! I didn't know you were in the city
<1> rusty, but for those who don't, shouldn't the road out be plausible?
<0> RustyJeep: that's typically not the case
<0> blacks have very little issue with moving into a "white" neighborhood
<0> it usually means better quality schools and better environment in general
<1> MadScribe, would you agree that its getting out of where they are that's more important
<1> that everything else looks like better opportunity
<0> my family was the only black family in a 1 mile radius for a number of years when we moved to my neighborhood in the 80s
<6> Madscribe: folks in Queens County try to sneak their kids into the better schools of the neighboring N***au County in L.I. to do just that.
<3> Linus, its incentive to get out of that hole
<3> IMHO
<3> being poor isn't supposed to be "nice" otherwise there is no incentive to improve
<0> Linus-: typically neighborhoods here are drawn along very clear social-economic lines
<0> blacks tend to be the ones living in "Section 8
<0> " housing
<1> rusty, but theres many factors keeping people in that hole; mostly economic means to get out, but also some racism
<1> i thought white trash was section 8
<0> and the rest of the neighborhood gets pissed off when a section 8 subdivision is thrown into their area
<1> hrm
<1> true
<7> Section 8 is a big money maker for the land owners
<3> Linus, name some factors
<1> ive seen rental ads with the words NO SECTION 8
<1> i can't believe that's legal
<3> it should be legal
<7> Linus- even if it weren't, all they'd have to do is take the curtains down,a nd it wouldn't be Section 8 eligable anymore anyway
<0> here you see "white flight" as blacks move in, then "gingerfication" as whites return to buy the old houses, tear them down and build new more expensive lots, which eventually drive up the value for the rest of the area
<1> RustyJeep, i already named voice profiling as one example
<0> house values go up, so do taxes
<3> especially when states give the option of paying the landlord directly vs the state paying the crackhead section 8 tenant
<1> KoBushi, ugh
<7> and then if someone who's clearly not section 8 inquires about it; tell them you'd put curtains up :)
<0> all of a sudden my grandmother's house is now valued way well beyond what it was relative over the past 30 years
<4> http://www.reason.com/0503/bagge4.shtml hahahha
<0> she's in a good situation, but it often leads to blacks having to move out
<1> she never got offers to buy her out?
<6> Linus, I've seen on news broadcasts where hidden cameras are placed on a black reporter and a white reporter, they go into a real estate office. The areas shown to the two potential buyers are very different.
<3> let me tell you a little story, my wifes father has a house that he rented to a section 8, they completely DESTROYED the friggin place
<1> hans, i don't doubt that
<0> Linus-: she'd never move at all, but she has gotten offers
<7> RustyJeep sure; but the gov. covers any damage
<3> and then people wonder why no one wants to rent to irresponsible ****s
<3> Kobushi NOPE
<3> not in NY anyway
<1> anecdotes don't convey the norm
<7> RustyJeep legally they are required to, if they didn't your uncle got ****ed
<7> at least in TN and NC they do;
<3> Kobushi nope
<7> that's why sec 8 is such a money maker
<3> not in NY
<3> it was "his choice to rent to them"
<8> Morning.
<7> the state pays you on time... and if anything is damaged, the state pays for it's replacement
<1> if one chooses to profit off of ppl's basic need for housing, you roll the dice just as any other business owner does
<1> you ***ume that you will experience losses
<3> now he will never rent to any other section 8
<3> actually he doesn't rent it out to anyone anymore
<8> And what's wrong with "profiting off ppl's basic need for housing"?
<3> it just sits there and he pays the taxes on it
<1> Gosseyn, nothing
<1> but don't expect it to be without bumps in the road
<8> It's a need -- there's a demand. You've got the supply, as a landlord. So make money off it.
<1> as with any business owenr, you ***ume certain risks
<1> you totally misinterpreted my statement
<3> Linus any business owner has the right to limit those risks though
<1> not by disriminating they don't
<3> including the denial of renting to section 8's
<8> Linus-: oh, okay. I thought I was about to hear one of those infamous socialist whines about how it's HEARTLESS and CRIMINAL and PARASITIC to make money off the backs of the NOBLE WORKERS by profiting off their need for housing.
<8> :)
<7> discrimination is the only way to limit risks
<7> just not neccesaril racial discrimination
<1> Gosseyn, well, for some landlords that does apply :)
<8> Actually, historically, HUD Section 8 renters tend to damage rental housing . A lot.
<7> if, as a business owner, you don't discriminate about anything or anyone, then you will go out of business quickly
<1> sounds to me like the landlords interview process is faulty
<3> Goss, yeh i know, my father in laws house was better off being burnt to the ground after these idiots got done with it
<3> =(((
<0> you could definately tell the difference between the rest of our neighborhood and the section 8 section
<3> they took this beautifully old 100+ year old banister and completely snapped it off the freakin stairs
<7> RustyJeep see in TN, since the gov. is paying thier rent, then the Gov is also responsible for the damages they do, or things they steal when they leave
<0> unmowed lawns, trash all around the carport, broken screen doors, et
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