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<0> animals die, animals evolve, its a fact of life, deal with it
<1> OcDoc just because alot of otheres want to believe it as well doesnt make it any more fact
<2> blaaz: nature creates hundreds of new species every year without starting from scratch
<3> We dont know yet what it takes to create life from a labratory without using already living materials or seeds.
<4> Look you guys are hung up on extinction.
<5> I'm saying that if we EVOLVED in this current environment, then it MUST be suitable. Species creation/extinction is not really a huge worry. The worry is that the environment would be adjusted such that we can't life in it without being propped up by advanced technology
<4> why don't you look at special population.
<5> Extinction of things may just be an indicator... or something
<2> sintient: no, YOU"RE the one hung up on exctinction
<4> I am not.
<3> No I am trying to say extinction doesnt need to be blamed on man all the time, sometimes its just natural..
<1> FreeTrade we cant do it with our advanced equiptment and genius scientists, but a dead planet did it accidently
<3> My point is species go extinct no matter what we do
<4> YOU are kinda lame though.
<2> sintient: then why do you want so much to prevent it?
<3> and new species emerge no matter what we do.
<3> Irrespective of human activity
<4> I want fishh to eat.
<6> like this new species of liberal
<4> I want cheap and abundant food source.
<0> heh sintient, you argue a certain side of a conversation and then when it gets uncomfortable accuse others of being "hung up" on the basis of that conversation..... interesting...
<1> sintient insects !!
<2> sintient: why?
<1> sintient insects are the food of the future
<4> When I see it going no where.
<3> Blaaz, well thats the ticket, figure out how life generated from nothing.. Then you have the key to life..
<5> however, the opposite argument is that the environment is adjusting anyway, and we're on the way out because its adjusting away from our livable space and relying on technology will just prolong it for a little while....
<2> Rusty: when he's been proven wrong
<1> FreeTrade that is the question
<0> you mean when you see it going some place that disagrees with your position
<4> I mean there is one group "shut up stuf dies stuff grows" and the other side "maybe that means somthing"
<3> Thats why people have invented gods for now because there is yet no other explanation which is suitable, so people say god, I just say we dont know.
<2> Kardos: if true, that would be important
<4> And you just keep repeating it.
<2> Kardos: how will you prove that to me
<6> a working cl*** hero is something to be
<3> Because I have learned its ok, to simply not know something.
<3> I dont need an answer for everything though I have tried most my life to find one.
<5> its overwhelmingly more expensive to support ourself with A/C and air filters and sunblock and whatever else , so if we actually are adjusting it ourselves, then it'll still be in our economical interest to adjust/sustain it such that it supports us nicely
<7> heh
<8> manSANTIAGO, Chile Chile appeared to be following Latin America's increasingly leftward tilt, with a socialist pediatrician holding a solid lead over her conservative multimillionaire opponent in early returns Sunday in the country's presidential race.
<5> and the state it was in 1900 is basically the "target" environment ;p
<1> FreeTrade yeh, i feel the same way about evolution... im not gonna accept it just cause i dont know
<0> sintient, because you keep contesting something that is believed by certain groups to be fact, while you believe in certain things that you feel is fact... its called debate
<2> Kardos: fine ... prove to me that it's true and I'll back the change that's required
<9> FT: what's important is the desire for knowledge; all else follows that
<0> in some cases its just pissing in the wind
<1> FreeTrade i can admit that i just dont know
<3> I came to a conclusion once and maintain it.. I dont need an explanation as to why things happen that are beyond the ability of my mind to comprehend. so I can leave questions as complete unknowns.
<5> OcDoc: can you prove the opposite?
<4> OK I won't debate debate.
<3> What is the basis of life ? I Have no idea..
<7> pissing against the wind
<3> What happens after I die ? I have no idea.
<4> Still my goal is for cheap and clean foods.
<2> Kardos: I don't have to ... I'm not the one demanding change
<0> sintient not to mention there were others in the conversation that were still debating
<1> sintient insects
<4> Go ahead.
<6> AP - A socialist doctor and former political prisoner was elected as the country's first female president on Sunday, with her conservative multimillionaire opponent conceding defeat in a race that reflected Latin America's increasingly leftward tilt.
<4> I just am stoping you.
<4> I just suggested a change.
<6> in regards to Chile
<2> sinteint: then you should be in favor of genetically engineered corn and irradiated meat
<3> Why did Sharon suddenly become so ill he cant govern and maybe wont live ? I dont know. I have no clue..
<4> You want to debate the validity of my suggestion, I can tell you are so into the other debate.
<0> great td- now they can all be poor together
<3> Baker seems to know or thinks he knows.
<10> socialism will always win in a poor uneducated country
<3> Is it baker whats his name ?
<1> i love GM foods
<9> FT: bad health.
<7> gm foods are a mistake
<4> I am for GM but why would I want to pay a scientist and a farmer when I could just pay a farmer?
<3> I think its unfortunate Israel forgave him, he doesnt deserve it.
<1> it is my wish to see this planet die before i leave this planet
<9> he's been terribly obese for some time
<9> forgave who
<5> OcDoc: I'm not demanding change, i'm opposing change... we should endeavor to keep the environment very close to its state in 1900, which was highly ideal for our living/evolution
<3> Robertson thats his name.
<3> Timur, Robertson.
<2> sintient: sorry, I don't follow you
<4> Or have to buy stock tank fish when I could buy from oceans or lakes.
<11> blaaz: it's my widh to see you die befoe the planet does
<9> oh, I don't. It's a small thing
<11> wish
<3> Hey sulla!
<9> I thought forgiveness could be a virtue
<9> esp since he retracted
<0> hahahhaha Kardos
<2> Kardos: you like walking down mainstreet in horse manure?
<1> panini im still kinda young, non smoker
<3> Robertson needs to be taken to the wood shed.
<0> there was FAR more pollution in the late 1800's early 1900's than today
<0> FAR more
<11> regardless
<5> ocdoc: what?
<3> This is too many times hes said idiotic things claiming to know what god is doing and then retracting it after a public uproar.
<2> sintient: so you like people dying in small boats to catch your fish in the Gulf of Alaska instead of pulling them easily out of a tank?
<7> once a companies gm strain x-pollenates all the normal corn that and carries that companies genetic marker then the company that own the gm corn owns all the damn corn.
<9> I don't feel much animosity to Robertson since he retracted
<4> I see the pollution and changing of enviroments away from species I find at the supermarket a problem.
<3> Timur, I do, but i did before he said that.
<11> i just ignore Robertson
<9> I'd feel more if he like, actually had a significant impact on policy
<2> Kardos: that's what life was like in 1900 ... horse manure in the streets
<9> FT: ah, there ya go. :)
<5> ocdoc: that's entirely beside the point. why is that relevant?
<3> He says the fires in Florida a few years ago was god retribution for the homo***uals and sinners in florida,
<3> He said the WTC bombing was god allowing the terrorists to punish us for our wicked ways.
<4> Think how many more people die from increase in food prices.
<3> The guys an idiot.
<5> OcDoc: by environment, i mean global temperatures, co2 concentrations, ice cover, etc, all that stuff...... not whatever the roads are covered in
<0> OcDoc, don't forget , trains, m*** oil fields, m***ive pollution of streams creeks and lakes from sewage, shall I continue?
<2> Kardos: you seemed to prefer that environment to the environment today ... people dying of disease at age forty instead of seventy
<4> But come on won't new fishermen just be created.
<3> Ok Forgive him but people should stop giving him an idiot pulpit.
<1> RustyGuns thats not enuff
<9> well, clearly, that's why he's a religious figurehead who appeals to those watching TV evangelists
<3> I dont know why Israel would do a joint project with such an idiot..
<4> I mean I just learned that from you ocodoc if one dies another just takes it's place.
<11> why pay any attention to him at all?
<9> who are, generally, not the brightest bulbs in the bunch
<4> How quickly you forget your own points.
<2> Rusty: no, I think Kardos may get the point
<1> we have to start polluting this planet on a much grater scale!
<12> robertson didn't suggest it was God, the media made that suggestive interpretation of what he said
<9> canibud: sure, and you love black peope.
<9> -le
<3> Panini, Good point, but Israel is giving millions of dollars to help build a christian theme park or something.
<2> sintient: very funny ... not really debating, but good comedy
<4> And how much you are really just trying to zing someone as opposed to suggest anything that might help people.
<3> The problem is people do not ignore him.
<0> blaaz i am talking in regards to Kardos statement of "we should turn the clock back to 1900 and live that way" I am paraphrasing of course
<4> It is debate.
<9> FT: maybe not, but does he actually have much impact?
<5> ok, you misunderstand what i meant by 1900
<4> If you can say you are going to buy farm fish because you want fisherman to all lose their job it is just as good a debate.
<3> Israel does not even ignore him.. America would never forgive anyone for saying the WTC attack where 3000 souls died was god punishing us for having free speech.
<3> We would count the guy off as a nut and not do buisness with him.
<2> okay, my point is that progress solves old problems and creates new ones ... further progress hopefully will solve some of the newer problems and not create as many in the future
<9> FT: well, they need tourist dollars, and to challenge the misperception that it's as dangerous as is commonly believed.
<1> i think each of us could to more to increase pollution
<0> FT, thats a part of the problem, the other part of the problem is that there are to many people that thing he is a "representative" of the religious right when the man has never represented anything but the whacked out people who would not accept that kind of idiot in ANY party
<12> robertson is a member of our community
<4> We hope.
<9> I ignore him, and I also acknowledge his influence on policy isn't very significant
<3> Timur, yeah and the evangelical community does a lot for israel in terms of support.
<2> sintient: oh, JOBS! ... so you're a Luddite?
<3> And it gives Israel an opportunity to show its tolerant of other religions.
<4> So you want people to lose jobs and increase costs.
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