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<0> http://www.ixsys.com/daveb/2006/02/something-media-wont-carry.html
<1> Herzen: Yea, I posted that a few days ago
<1> Herzen: check out this soldier http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/dogface-gi/insig.jpg
<2> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060215/ap_on_sc/science_math <--- bwahahahaha.
<1> tweek: well, that is a "duh" article. It's not spending/etc that is the problem.. its the students have no desire for scientific education, and that directly stems from their parents and "role" models
<2> well, I'm laughing at those *stupid* ****ing parents/students.
<2> have fun in Burger King, ***holes!
<2> I seriously can't believe that it's come to that...
<3> sounds like terrorist attack coverage .... cheney takes responsiblity for the shooting heh
<4> What say ye about Burger King ?
<5> the left just found out cheny went to the bathroom they wanted to know why the media didnt get the story. reid wants a hearing
<2> mebbe the prevalence of math/science isn't being demonstrated well enough?
<4> Whats the deal with it ?
<4> Stingray haha
<5> lol
<2> FreeTrade: oh, they can work in McDonalds too if they don't like BK
<2> though I guess not as cashiers, at this ****ing rate
<4> What are you talking about i am lost ?
<1> sting: Nancy Pelosi after leaving the whitehouse, bitched that the issue is really about katrino
<4> Whats the deal with BK and McDonalds ?
<2> and without a firm grasp of cause/effect relationships, they might not even be able to flip burgers effectively
<1> FT: if the kid refuses to learn math/science.. that is the kind of job he'll hold down
<2> ah! I know! they can bag groceries.
<4> Lupine, well if we have a shortage in labor at McDs they will make more than scientists.
<2> there isn't much mathematics behind packing goods in a small space...
<1> tweek: no, that requires a pratical knowledge of geometry :-)
<4> Seriously think for yourself not the government..
<2> ... ****
<5> when i am at a fancy restraunt i call my stock broker " hey waiter"
<4> Be educated in Math and Science, but dont neccesarily figure your career will be there.
<4> Be versatile.
<4> Everytime the government predicts trends it ends up getting a surplus and then they dont make much anymore.
<6> "I'd rather hunt with **** Cheney than ride with Ted Kennedy" my new bumpersticker.
<2> mebbe the division between pure/applied math needs to come earlier?
<4> But there are some trends you can be sure of. Medicine, whether its emt, nurse, doctor, or anything else will be good for a long time.
<2> scientific reasoning/results, too.
<2> FreeTrade: here's the article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060215/ap_on_sc/science_math
<5> crispy hahaha
<6> `STINGRAY: bought it just now
<5> crispy but kennedy would now say thats all water under the bridge now
<4> Learn the science and english and get your 4 year degree if for no other reason you can go back and your degree will count and you can chance majors or jobs without haveing to start from scratch
<6> `STINGRAY: Meh, like this won't p*** over in like 4 weeks.
<4> you may major in computer engineering or electrical engineering.
<5> yep
<4> Say there are no jobs but Nano tech takes off ?
<5> democrats are their own worse enemy
<4> Go back to school for 1-2 years and work in nanotech
<4> For me I would have to go back to the beggining to get a job as a police officer in Berkeley
<4> And I tried using 2 years transcripts, they said they were too old.
<1> FT: often times, you can transfer into a community college, and get your AA quickly.. then go to the state college
<4> I would have to start from square 1.. So finish your 4 year, EVEN if you dont need it, EVEN if you want to be a contractor or entrepreneur
<3> i'm gradding finance and i'm an entrepreneur it doesn't make sense not to grad
<4> only exception is if you have a money making idea which you are sure can make money right now and you have to try it then try it and skip college.
<7> When Kennedy explains his story to the press then we can ask Cheney at least Cheney did not kill anyone
<4> if it works great, if it doesnt go back to college when you are young
<3> you'll have to lend me your time machine then
<2> 'Most parents, meanwhile, say their kids are getting a better education than they did.' <--- anyone else think that they can legitimately call their parents dumb***es?
<4> Lupine, hell I would lose so much money if I took 2 years out for college, besides that, I have my disability. If I didnt have that I might consider some career changes.
<2> maybe that's part of the problem...
<1> tweek: well, in some respects, that is true. The parents think bad.. i never was educated on computer technology, etc
<1> FT: sure, just that if you ever wanted to use your two years for an AA.. that is generally a quick/easy way to do it
<4> All and all over most of my life though I have made more than most college grads.
<4> Tweek the education is as good as the student and no better.
<4> So you can call your parents dumb***es
<4> if you want bring them on irc and I will.
<4> ;)
<2> I already do, daily, to their faces, because they are :)
<4> I should say education is as good as the student AND Teacher. And no better.
<2> teacher? - textbook, too.
<3> u need a framework freetrade
<8> i don't know if i'd want to try and live on what typical college grads my age, with my experience make
<3> and a resource
<3> like a tb yea
<2> and resource materials...
<1> FT: Adam Hume is asking some very good questions.. aint ***** footing around
<2> where would I be without teh Intar-webs.
<4> YOu get a ****ty teacher, then you have to learn it yourself, which is easy to do except its harder in technical studies.
<3> when you are studying complex trades/industries you can't justh ave a good student and teacher
<8> an education is nothing more than a tool....experience is knowing how to use those tools
<4> because often there is a logic to the order of learning.
<2> ****. how would anyone survive without the ungodly amount of information (and/or porn) available...
<3> thats why depression is so rampant
<2> I guess libraries make more sense without it.
<3> as a species we have dominated this planet to the fullest with our sheer volume and awesomeness
<4> I can jump from learning about the history of Israel, to learning about the religion of Islam, To studying General Sherman in the Civil war, to Studhing Grant, and then read 4 sscience fiction novels.
<3> so people get disillustioned with life
<3> the great conquest is over
<4> But in many you need to know order of operations, then this, then that, etc etc etc
<4> many = MATH
<4> Its like dependent on the prereqisite
<4> Tehnical knowlege usally is.
<4> technical
<2> gee, I wonder if that's why there are prerequisite cl***es then :)
<2> there are *many* fields that are interdependent like that.
<4> Yeah but more important than the cl*** is the order of learning algebra or trig or geometry
<4> because if you never learn the order of operations you will never learn algebra..
<2> certain mathematical topics can be covered without knowledge of many other ones, but rarely are.
<4> And if you dont learn about the general principles of waves, then when you study specific waves it doesnt make as much sense.
<4> Say if you are studying the physics of sound waves or microwaves or whatever
<2> for instance you can learn, say, how electronic communications systems work at the signal level without knowing what a Laplace transform is.
<4> Yeah, Im just saying in most technical areas, certain fudamentals must be known.
<2> it's just easier when presented in the context of frequency-domain analysis, *and* the Laplacian stuff applies in so many other ways, so why skip it?
<4> Well, I am one who didnt finish it.. But then I didnt need to to make a good living.
<4> Todays kids are not going to have the choices we had.
<3> i'm studying Finance -- we have lots of prereqs in the degree audit
<2> almost all subjects have a base fundamental idea that's built on.
<4> Industry as we have known it is already gone its just not completely gone, yet.
<2> history, for example, would make little sense without the ability to analyze what's going on.
<4> Anythign which doesnt require knowlege will be done in the 3rd world, until they raise their status.
<2> even that stuff requires knowledge, or at least a bit of knowledge and skill.
<4> IN the meantime as each country gets better economies because of global free trade the economy of the world ill become much larger and everyone will be much wealthier.
<4> But in America its a service economy country.
<4> YOu will invent the nanotech, like you did the computers and the ***embly line and all the other great ideas..
<4> You will discover the new medicines, you will compete in the world of ideas and innovation.
<4> 3rd world countries will ***emble the tvs which america invented.. (They already do)
<4> Europe will try to compete with america and eventually China and India but we have special qualities no other nation has.
<2> or you'll work at Wal-Mart for a few decades.
<8> you guys ever watch discovery times?
<2> ... mebbe the amount of pressure involved is a bit of a turn-off?
<4> We have people from 10 cultures and 10 religions of 10 skin tones to look at the same problem.
<4> They have 10 red skinned guys who speak exactly alike and grew up in the same culture looking at the same problem.
<4> My point is Diversity is strength
<4> We have it noone else does to our extent
<2> America's best ***et to its R+D is the variety of motives behind it, and the lack of any excessive restriction to limit it all to one gov't motive.
<8> interesting show yesterday, showing India scrapping out huge ocean going freighters...because of environmental, safety concerns...no other country would touch em....showed sickness, injury rates compared to countries that monitor those, plus the environmental hazards the people were put in
<2> I'm not sure how skin tones could possibly factor into research, but I'll agree that diversity is key in science...
<2> err, the development of science.
<2> oh yeah, and America has several different educational institutions with several different curriculum, policed by several different authorities, each relatively 'close' to their field.
<2> now if only interdisciplinary research were more encouragable.
<5> free ray nagin didnt mention the red people in NO guess he dont like strawberry milk
<8> things are cyclical...and i wonder what will happen 2 generations from now...when the whole world has tv's, cars, nice homes, ability to design, produce them...
<9> yowz||: exactly.
<8> everybody turn into isolationists?
<9> however, if that won't happen, it would probably be because we have a scheme like an occult interpretation of the Star of David - cognitive power versus material power.
<10> Hey, when is Easter this year?
<10> what's the date?
<2> you don't get any presents for it, and Spring Break is longer anyway, so who cares :)
<10> heh
<6> What I love about this whole Cheney thing is that no on gives a **** about who he shot, they just care that he shot someone.
<10> Just trying to figure out when the kids will be out of school
<10> This year it's the week AFTER Easter, rather than the week before
<10> or so I'm told
<8> hey, what's a couple of hours as far as cheney is concerned.....ted kennedy waited about 3 hrs to get mary joe out of her car
<10> Crispy`, why should it matter who he shot?
<10> The fact that it was a person, and not a quail, seems enough
<0> quails are people too
<0> don't be antiavian
<11> Really, a bird bigot.
<12> geesh, y'all are still talking about cheney
<8> anybody who has ever hunted upland game, can EASILY see how that accident happened
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