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<0> but in terms of shaping the region to be a strategic ***et...we've kind of lost it
<1> Iran has the most extensive south american spy network in the world
<2> Iran would not be a "roll over them" war like Iraq was.
<1> there will be attacks in the USA
<3> all of the iranian ***ets are in theatre (duh) and probably at high operational readiness
<3> blizzil: terror attacks dont have much strategic value
<4> Brak55: Correct. Iran will be a war of surgical air strikes, similar to Kosovo.
<3> so who cares
<1> Capase: They do in 2006, is psychological warfare
<5> blizzil, i welcome attacks on US soil from iran. good reason to nuke the place
<3> blizzil: to the weak minded
<1> caspase: Welcome to America
<3> terror attacks dont really frighten me
<3> and i live in ohio
<6> haha
<1> they scare people ...
<7> You don't hear much about those 28 troops from Macedonia kicking *** in Iraq
<3> so i dunno what pansies you are speaking for, if i may be so bold
<8> maybe it's because you live in Ohio
<6> but ohio is the "heart of it all"
<1> caspase: You're saying people dont fear from attacks? or just you
<1> ?
<9> There are mayby 10 people on Irc I could socialize outside Irc with, Pickle, MrRod (Who I do socialize with), US-Male, The Tailor, Stingray, Disco but I couldnt drink beer or watch sports with him ;) Herzen, Timur despite our fights, Probably a few more I can not think about at the minute. Such people require my absolute trust, people who if they hated me would never reveal any personal information on me on irc. and enjoyable per
<3> exactly misslavey
<9> Oh Can of Spam and Glock21 too
<3> i am middle america!
<9> Lupine..
<9> hmm
<3> brizzil: less and less people do
<3> i'll say this
<3> if they do fear attacks
<9> thats all I can think of right now, and thats because I know these people well enough to trust them.
<10> xgames: So you're a great fan of the mullahs, aye?
<1> You know some do fear
<3> its proved that terror isn't paralysis
<7> I don't know anyone nor want to
<4> I will now reveal FreeTrade's personal information... He is in fact a transgendered lesbian midget from Idaho, named Stan.
<3> people still go out about their business, even in iraq, even in israel
<6> i was scared on 9/11 because it was the first time i had ever seen anything like that, but honestly, i personally don't fear attacks because i TOO am from ohio.
<2> FT: A couple more and you'll be able to say "Well, just about everyone on the channel." :)
<11> StanleyI: you have once again misunderestimated the limitless might of the super elite macedonian forces, who are responsible for successful combat operations in iraq... While in theory the american army are equal partners within the Operation Iraqi Liberation Coalition, in reality the american army is merely following the macedonian lead most of the time.
<3> so whats it supposed to accomplish if the population still does what they need to do when they need to do it ?
<6> unless if they wanna bust up some rubber plants or ketchup factories, i'm not too worried
<9> Pickle hahaha.. Pickle only knows because of our past ***ual relationship ;)
<3> misslavey: at least then it would be strategic targets
<3> like keep us from the things we need
<6> Fr33Trade has definitely been drinking
<4> Yeah, but it was pre-op.
<1> They wouldnt do that, they would attack soft targets
<9> hahahaha
<12> heh
<3> but terror on a population is pointless- hit soft targets who cares?
<10> They're too cowardly to do anything other than blow up civilians.
<10> It's what they do.
<2> MissLeVey: Yup. Next is FT posting "I love you guys."
<0> it's the war of the weak
<0> bleed the big guy dry
<3> can i get food, water, goto work, breathe, conduct business?
<9> There used to be a rumer or a joke on this channel I am not sure which, but that to get ops you had to give rwx oral *** hahaha.
<3> there isn't a whole lot i need to do that terrorists could interfere with
<1> I just hope we dont give up civil liberties
<9> Soem, ****ers believed it I think.
<1> if a war breaks out
<9> er some
<3> so american attacks are way overrated in my opinion
<0> haha civil liberties...we will lose them
<3> they have some limited effectiveness as a psychological tool to get more people to the cause of terrorism
<0> in a way, it's good, because we don't really seem to care for them anymore anyways
<3> but limited because effectiveness, strategic, tactical, whatever real effectiveness is not really there
<7> I view time spent on IRC as a excellent measure of the emptiness on ones life.
<1> Caspase: Its a TERROR tactic
<1> you're saying you're not scared
<1> but some will
<13> nothing helped the terrorists in iraq more than saddam releasing approximately 100,000 from iraqi prisons when he knew the USA was on its way in
<1> you cant speak for all of the united states
<0> sort of like abortion...let half the country ban it, and then we'll get to see again how society copes w/o that "right"
<3> but what does it matter if my mom is scared blizzil ?
<3> seriously
<1> caspase: Its Terror dude
<1> thats whats its used for
<1> lol
<3> does it grind the wheels of industry to a halt cause my mom is scared ?
<1> that is the point
<1> of course not man
<1> its T-E-R-R-O-R
<1> dont be dense
<3> are you still scared of the boogeyman ? didn't we get over the whole issue of scared for scaredom's sake as a kid ?
<1> there will be soccer moms scared ****less
<3> so what
<3> their kids are too
<1> yah so waht
<1> it wont stop anything
<12> I still think caspase-9 is a garbageman
<3> both of imaginary spectres that hold no grip on their real life
<12> anyway
<1> You cant allow terror to shape us policy
<6> blizzil: there's people out there who are scared of balloons
<1> anymore than it has
<9> Did I mention yesterday on channel, that I watched one MAJOR critic of Rumsfield on CSPAN, And listen to his rationale, Its 100% cold war think. He said we should not have removed the taliban, Nor shold we have eliminated Saddam Husseing, and he in a very self absored manner acted like this was so obvious.. And then as the finale for his reason, it was this "Because we have eliminated 2 of Iran's Natural Enemies" QUOTES
<10> They should be scared. If these ****ers get nukes they'll use them.
<1> Not on us
<1> Israel is their target
<3> so
<3> who cares
<8> nope
<8> it's also the US
<0> what's wrong with hard realism Fr33Trade?
<8> and Europe
<3> israel is terror hardened
<12> nobody I know walks around being "scared of terrorists"
<8> yeah, I'm here now
<8> and it's fine.
<3> wtf is terrorizing israel gonna get you except for pnuked ?
<10> Yeah. Sure. They will use them on us. They will use them against Israel.
<1> No one is "scared of terrorists" but if a major attack breaks out, people will be scared
<12> terrorism works better on weak minds
<0> it doesn't seem like wilsonian idealism has served us too well
<1> then angry
<1> Us: Exactly
<3> blizzil: so again who cares?
<10> They will use them against all of their enemies. They don't give a flying ****.
<1> caspase: Im simply making a point that an attack will cause fear
<9> To me, this was such a lame excuse.. I think whats going on and a lot of this anti rumsfield sentiment, is a result of the fact that he is in fact, shaking up the bureacracy of the defense dept demanding they change to get out of the cold war mentality and into a new world threat mentality and people always resist change.
<13> no, barnes, it doesn't
<9> Its the most natural human thing to do, resist change.
<0> that was a non-sequitur.
<12> well tell you the truth I don't know anyone whe was "scared" on 9/11 .....
<12> sad, then angry
<12> but not scared
<13> I was angry, then sad
<1> I know people in NYC that didnt leave their house for like 2 weeks
<1> its stupid to say that a major attack wouldnt cause fear in at least some faction
<7> What good does it do to criticize Rumsfield..the US is stuck in Iraq with no exit plan.
<3> ****ing a dude, if anything you gotta figure 1. first big attack
<9> I was in shock and disbelief at first, then I was resolved, though I have no power, Someone has to pay for this, and this means war (Those were my first thoughts.
<12> I know tons of people In NYC .... I lived 25 miles from there at the time
<3> 2. huge attack beyond belief not to be duplicated in scale -EVAR
<3> ok so after those to facts
<3> if a run of the mill attack happenned today
<13> you may be underinformed, StanleyI; read http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson200602240629.asp for a bit more
<12> weaker minds fear things
<7> 400,000 Americans will die from obesity this year, and they worry about terrorists..
<3> people will a. laugh b. cry c. duct tape themselves in b. just watch too much news and maybe stock up on water and food
<1> Stanley:No **** man :) lol
<12> reasonable caution is not the same as fear though
<3> stanleyI: haha you know ?
<3> see
<3> its blizzil's fault
<8> I was a bit scared, but then angry
<9> and I also thought right then, Iraq was going to have to be after afghanistan because Iraq is like the clown dictator only hes a brutal murderer as well, who is always humping our leg and trying to piss on us, so we needed that distraction removed, and then secondarily establishing a freindly democracy could be a great thing for the Arab world. I dont have the idealism Bush does, I think these kind of things can only be attempt
<12> Timur you know what that was a weird day for me
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