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<`426Hemi> hahhaa i know i am just being an ***
<rond> :)
<barnes> "Nothing is more precious than independence and liberty."
<AAAman> Fr33Trade -- Let us try to distinguish between what is good for Bush and what is good for the nation
<weboh> The point of vietnam was to keep america on the warpath.
<Fr33Trade> in 3 years there wont be much money to be made off the Bush presidency.
<barnes> how many people would be willing to die for that sentiment?
<SweetLeaf> they know all they have to do is wait out the american will
<`426Hemi> Sweet, no i don't think its happening again, but its definitely touch and go
<barnes> for the vietnamese, millions
<SweetLeaf> americans are good for about 5 years 10 years they are gone
<Fr33Trade> For one reason is in 3 years Iraq is going to look a hell of a lot more like a success than it does now and we have already made GREAT progress in Iraq.
<SweetLeaf> they can wait
<`426Hemi> gotta put these beers in the freezer
<caspase-9> sweet
<Fr33Trade> I think the funniest thing I read about one of the Military critics of Rumsfield when asked what should change now, the answer is nothing. We finally are where we want to be ....
<caspase-9> rumsfeld was already ready to quit twice
<`426Hemi> friend of mine just joined the national guard, goes to basic in a month, ten off to Iraq
<`426Hemi> then
<AAAman> Fr33Trade --We success like that , we do not need failures
<SweetLeaf> if I was incharge I would be stirring up trouble between sunies and shiets let them kill each other
<Fr33Trade> Ok if thats so why fire Rumsfield when things in Iraq are finally right where they should be ?
<Lupine> Fr33Trade oh, that's easy. ATTAB
<caspase-9> freetradE: cause he is the guy that says they are right where they should be?
<Fr33Trade> A lot of these guys were complaining more about the military culture than actual specific causes.
<Timur> night folks
<Lupine> Any Thing To Attack Bush
<caspase-9> rumsfeld == bush ?
<SweetLeaf> We need to have a world war against the terrorist states why not now
<SweetLeaf> **** it
<SweetLeaf> go for it
<caspase-9> he cant stand alone in the spotlight on the issue of his own personal incompetence ?
<caspase-9> rumsfeld is a reason that people attack bush
<SweetLeaf> my granddaughter dont need to grow up under this ****
<AAAman> When our military leaves in Iraq, 10 years from now, Iraq will revert to some form which would not be to our liking
<barnes> oh well
<`426Hemi> i dunno, i just think Bush has blinked in his efforts against Iran
<lgcbmb> SweetLeaf, amen this war is gunna go m***ive sooner or later
<caspase-9> yes
<`426Hemi> and North Korea
<AAAman> You cannot bring democracy at the point of a gun
<caspase-9> tactical nuke against hardened underground targets @!
<Fr33Trade> For example one complained about subbing out so many ex military jobs to civilians, Examples: Fixing Dinner, Washing dishes, Cleaning latrines, Doing Laundry, Even civilian provided restaraunts when not in the battle field they can order anythign we order here in the states.
<caspase-9> aaaman: you can bring democracy - just not liberty
<Fr33Trade> The point is the investment in military men washign laundry or cooking is wasted
<`426Hemi> i mean we relied on China to reign in North Korea, but the fact is, they did nothing, nor did Russia, in preventing North Korea from obtaining nuclear weapons
<SweetLeaf> like that comercial why not now WHY NOT NOW
<weboh> AAAman: Whatever George W Bush is liking, the public will not like. The goal is more tyranny in Iraq, not liberation.
<blizzil> this religion special on history channel rocks
<Fr33Trade> and its smart to move away from that and turn it over to private contractors.
<`426Hemi> so why should we rely on them now, what makes Iran different?
<weboh> blizzil: give the name.
<Publius> Hiyooo
<SweetLeaf> the goal who's goal
<blizzil> BAnned from the Bibal
<caspase-9> freetrade: if accounting issues are properly vetted
<`426Hemi> I wonder what China or Russia would do if Iran started squawking about them being "The Great Satan's" of the world
<Fr33Trade> The investment to create a 21str century killing machine is too much to have him as a mechanic, cook, janitor, busboy, or waitress.
<MrRod> Fr33Trade: Question is, does it cost less if contractors do it?
<Fr33Trade> Caspase, the fact is it saves money
<caspase-9> still dunno whats up with the gas jockeys at haliburton
<weboh> blizzil: I'd be bored by it.
<caspase-9> and the overbilling issues
<Fr33Trade> MrRod, muchless
<caspase-9> but yah
<Publius> what's up guys?
<MrRod> Fr33Trade: Then it's better.
<caspase-9> contract it all out
<Fr33Trade> these generals dont like the loss of military control
<`426Hemi> obviously they got caught over-billing, whats the problem?
<lgcbmb> these generals dont like the loss of wars
<Fr33Trade> The very motivation for it was less expense.
<caspase-9> of you are gonna have killers, they should be pros at killing - shining boots is for parade stuff
<Jango> What about Iran ? r u going to bomb them soon or to wait for them to get an atomic bomb ?
<caspase-9> they are probably gonna get bombed on i bet
<blizzil> Alot of Gnostic stuff
<blizzil> pretty cool
<caspase-9> they got lots of missiles tho
<blizzil> cannan is kinda narrow
<caspase-9> sunburn 22 and other nasties
<weboh> Jango: The idea of Israel or Iran having competently made a working atomic bomb is sure myth.
<SweetLeaf> These generals are thinking of running for office or a book deal or the times is paying them to say it
<Fr33Trade> A solider is a trained killer if he has properly been trained.. One who can live in peacetime according to strict laws and not harm people, but who at the sound of a phone call can turn into a killing machine and fly off to some battlefield.
<MrRod> Jango: You guys may bomb Iran first.
<DarthBurg> Nuke me
<caspase-9> yah israel can bomb iran
<caspase-9> they will bomb iran
<caspase-9> they said they will bomb iran
<blizzil> I think diplomacy will win here
<Fr33Trade> We have at least a year by every source I have seen before Iran starts elevating itself as a threat
<MrRod> Israel will be in a real ****ty position if Iran gets nukes.
<lgcbmb> mow the lawn!
<Jango> We (Israel) can help USA alot to attack Iran
<SweetLeaf> FT usually you are ready to kill after basic and AIT but after a few years it will take getting shot at
<weboh> MrRod: Israel has the right to bomb Iran. I have no doubt about this. never did. but we needn't police the Middle east.
<blizzil> We give Iran a year or so
<MrRod> lgcbmb: I already did.
<blizzil> with sanctions
<blizzil> hard ones
<caspase-9> you got that backwards jango
<blizzil> they'll cave
<lgcbmb> hah, thats the code words to launch nukes
<SweetLeaf> to bring it all back
<caspase-9> we (USA) can help israel alot to attack iran
<caspase-9> its your backyard
<caspase-9> you deal with the threats
<Fr33Trade> at this point in the process of electing a new sunni leader who can form a coalition with the Sunnis and the Kurds is much more important that distracting Shias by Going to war with Iran.
<MrRod> Jango: I don't think the US wants Israel's help in attacking Iran. At least not public help.
<weboh> Jango: I would think you could do it alone with US weapons.
<caspase-9> yah
<caspase-9> weboh
<Fr33Trade> We have plenty of time, If neccesary, to go to war with Iran and we all hope its not neccesary.
<caspase-9> screw that mentality
<Publius> 426Hemi, MrRod, FT, Darth, blizzil, hulloo
<Fr33Trade> but lts face it, they are the largest state sponser of terrorism left in the world.
<DarthBurg> yo
<caspase-9> 'oh USA please help bomb iran - kthx israel"
<`426Hemi> s'up publius
<caspase-9> not cool
<lgcbmb> Fr33Trade, 6mths isnt plenty of time
<Fr33Trade> Clearly more so than North Korea.
<SweetLeaf> Our people in the services now are like a fine sharpened steel spear because they have been in combat for years now
<Publius> 426Hemi: hangin out before the Braves game
<`426Hemi> gonna watch them lose again?
<`426Hemi> =P
<caspase-9> we will give you satellite maps of iran, we will refuel the planes we sold you
<caspase-9> maybe even fire off some tomahawks
<`426Hemi> caspase hey they can even use the radar they built and developed with the USA
<lgcbmb> canada will provide the peace keeping troops
<weboh> caspase-9: those satellite maps are from spy planes.
<Jango> Caspase: Israel is not yet a super power, but just a little country
<Publius> 426Hemi: they won last night sir. do you have turner south?
<caspase-9> there is no such thing as satellites weboh ?
<lgcbmb> coalition of we kick your ***
<SweetLeaf> They are ready to kick *** if they would turn the war dogs loose on the bad guys but we have Liberals that want us to bow down to terror
<`426Hemi> Publius, no i only have little ****ty *life line* cable
<Fr33Trade> LGC, Ive listened to nuclear experts who claim the level of enrichment they have achieved would take a year with a hell of a lot more centrifuges that they currently has, so thats saying basically we have a year to talk, Now if a Dirty bomb goes off in NY or Los Angelos in the next 6 months, I would say it was time for immediate war with Iran.
<MrRod> Jango: Israel has the best army in the middle east. It's army is not so little.
<weboh> Jango: they used to be the greatest power in the middle east. Why are they suddenly weak?
<caspase-9> jango: if you aren't a superpower, then tell your government to quit starting **** with people
<Fr33Trade> It would be easy enough to trace the material back to Iran probably, if it came from Iran.
<SweetLeaf> FT why do we always have to get hit first??
<Fr33Trade> Yep, Israel does have the best army in the middle east, but it does have problem with the range..
<blizzil> Kinda screwed up
<Publius> 426Hemi: I love my super comcast...especially cause I hardly pay for it!
<SweetLeaf> I got hit once first in my life that was it
<caspase-9> yah its not like radio isotopes are hard to find an origin for
<blizzil> I was here in 2003
<SweetLeaf> the rest is pre emted
<Jango> Iran is a big country, and has alot targets, that we can't attack them all...


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