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<Twobar> tamin, America is far from close proximity to anywhere, except for Mexico. And immigrants pour into the US from all over the world, not just Mexico. Europe is close to everywhere else, compared to America.
<bud`> cyn1kal so do you support Bushes RECORD spending on social/welfare programs
<`STINGRAY> lajko thats one thing i agree with you
<syf> cyn1kal, most of former yugoslavia, albania, bulgaria, romania, etc. is not part of the EU
<tamin> Twobar, USA is the most populace developed nation...no shock immigrants go there
<`STINGRAY> mexicans come here to see the USA in their Chevrolet
<Twobar> tamin, and far more europeans come to America than Americans go to Europe
<syf> Twobar, americans can't easily go to europe to work
<bud`> A sweeping expansion of social programs since 2000 has sparked a record increase in the number of Americans receiving federal government benefits such as college aid, food stamps and health care.
<baaba> because americans aren't generally educated well enough
<[brent]> exactly
<Twobar> syf I think its as easy there as here
<bud`> isn't that what you libs want?
<syf> and many countries in europe don't encourage immigration from the US
<[brent]> like when people say if you don'y like USA then leave
<cyn1kal> bud: I don't support either the Republican or the Demoracrat party, both are beholden to crony capitalism and corporate interests
<[brent]> leaving costs money
<baaba> simple fact that has to do with most of them not being able to afford a high level university or college
<Lajko> I've never heard of people leaving eastern Europe on a large scale to work in West Europe.
<Twobar> syf, they are smart
<`STINGRAY> syf hey alot of american companies are now puling out of india and other countries bring work back home
<tamin> Congressional Budget Office data shows between 1973 and 2000 the average real income of the bottom 90 percent of American taxpayers fell by 7%. Meanwhile, the income of the top 1 percent rose by 343%!! The income of the top 0.01 percent rose 599%!!! (Those numbers exclude capital gains, so they're not an artifact of the stock-market bubble.)
<bud`> It was the largest five-year expansion of the federal safety net since the Great Society created programs such as Medicare and Medicaid in the 1960s.
<bud`> Spending on these social programs was $1.3 trillion in 2005, up an inflation-adjusted 22% since 2000 and accounting for more than half of federal spending.
<`STINGRAY> syf but then again 15 to 20 an hr aint enough for some americans
<Twobar> Stingray pulled out of India. India looked back at him and said, "hey buddy. I paid you the two bucks".
<`STINGRAY> twt heya
<syf> Twobar, i'm not saying one continent is better than the other, i'm just saying that it's a bit flawed to look at it from an immigration point of view
<ThomasWT> hi
<`STINGRAY> twobar hahahaha
<syf> for the record
<Twobar> syf yes, I understand
<OldHippie> tamin, how many broke illegals do you think it would take to produce those figures. Adding 10 million broke mexicans will hurt any country's numbers
<tamin> Twobar, http://www.marxmail.org/facts/inequality.htm
<syf> `STINGRAY, 20-30 of which 40% goes away to income tax and 19-22% on sales tax :S
<tamin> OldHippie, illegals are not counted
<Twobar> tamin, yes I saw that one. I dont know if it is the truth, tho.
<OldHippie> tamin, you might check again on how they take census for those numbers. Illegals are counted
<tamin> OldHippie, illegals do not report their wages or file taxes
<Twobar> tamin, there is no doubt the rich are gettin richer. But that doesnt mean that we would do any better under any other 'ism', ie 'communism' , 'socialism'.
<tamin> OldHippie, so tell me how their income could be counted?
<bud`> and despite bushes RECORD levels of entitlement/welfare handouts to americans, unemployment is extremely low. wtf?
<OldHippie> tamin, many do by using illegal documents. They also get those numbers from census
<`STINGRAY> syf you like payin high taxzes to support the poor?
<syf> `STINGRAY, nope, that's why i moved to a tax haven
<Twobar> tamin, and history shows us that socialism and communism give far too much power to those at the top, which eventually ALWAYS get corrupted and greedy and power mad
<Lajko> No new government is needed, only a few laws.
<OldHippie> tamin, LA Times, took mexican that worked for them and got a complete set of documents illegally in an afternoon
<cyn1kal> bud: quantity is not the same as quality
<Twobar> MrRod, is that you ?
<tamin> OldHippie, they would need a valid Social Security number in order to be counted
<`STINGRAY> wanna compaign the illegals are the bigest welfare people here,. look at cl*** sizes look who come here damnd their rights
<tamin> OldHippie, illegals do not have valid Social Security numbers
<Twobar> Say, everybody ! Let's all have *** with MrRod !
<DrFlip> The question is, how many Illegals are going to be voting in the next election?
<OldHippie> tamin, they would not need a valid SS, the census does not check SS. Hell the SS office doesnt check em
<Twobar> RIGHT NOWWW !
<bud`> cyn1kal you simply can't have it all ways. you want entitlement programs, just not under Bush, is that it?
<syf> `STINGRAY, although, i don't mind paying tax, but the fact that healthcare and all kinds of other benefits have gone to **** and tax hasn't gone lower it made me rethink
<`STINGRAY> twobar nah mr rod anfd tom m are now lovers
<MrRod> STINGRAY: Actually, I kind of doubt that.
<Twobar> MrRod, we are all having *** with you ! Are you a happy camper !
<Twobar> Stingray, dam !
<`STINGRAY> syf yep mosy going to treat illegals
<`STINGRAY> most
<tamin> OldHippie, for a general census no, for an income study yes
<Lajko> I wish my congressmen would listen to the people more instead of rich companies paying them to vote certain ways on laws.
<tamin> OldHippie, for an income study they would only poll a few thousand people
<Twobar> 'meeee and mrs jones....she's having my bay beeeee"
<OldHippie> tamin, do so googling. I dont remember the exact number but it was in the millions of bogus SS numbers that SS is collecting on
<syf> how can illegals get healthcare?
<`STINGRAY> syf easy they just get it
<Twobar> gop = gravy on potatoes
<Kaliuna> syf - they just walk into ER and -- get it
<tamin> OldHippie, millions? no way...
<gopp> Twobar lol
<OldHippie> syf, walk in any ER and they have healthcare
<`STINGRAY> gopp heya
<syf> right... here we just leave you outside the hospital if you can't pay and aren't insured
<gopp> Kaliuna no they don't
<MrRod> Fact is, the US welcomes illegals.
<OldHippie> tamin, google it, it was out in the last couple of weeks
<gopp> Kaliuna not all er accept
<gopp> that a mhty
<Lajko> Most politicians voting for the illegal immigrants getting amnesty are affiliated with Wal-Mart, McDonald's, and employers near the border.
<Twobar> release meeee, release meeeeeeeeee !
<gopp> Kaliuna trying going to a private er
<tamin> OldHippie, any hack can make up lies
<cyn1kal> illegals = cheap labor for corporate america
<gopp> a private hospital will not accept them
<OldHippie> tamin, I am not any hack.
<gopp> cyn1kal but if they don't have papers, they can't work for coporate america
<gopp> so that a mhty
<gopp> mthy
<tamin> OldHippie, you could have read bad information
<OldHippie> gopp, so the go to the ER. The illegals have shut down almost half the ER's in SoCal
<bud`> cyn1kal: 996 overhaul pushed millions of people off cash ***istance and into the workforce. Congress expanded eligibility for benefits to support people with low-wage jobs. <-- is that not "quality"? pushing lazy people into working, and giving more benefits to working people who need it?
<MrRod> gopp: Sure they can work for coporations. And they do.
<`STINGRAY> twobar kali i went and bought 2 pairs new balance sneekers paid a little more but they are made in AMERICA
<OldHippie> tamin, it was put out by the SS office. But you are right it could have been bad
<Twobar> After elbowing his way to the front of the line, ahead of John Travolta and Tom Cruise, MrRod demanded, "don't you people know who I AM ??"
<cyn1kal> gopp: its pretty easy get fake "real" papers
<Kaliuna> STING -- fantabulous
<Twobar> YEEARRGHGHGHGHEHGHGHGHG
<`STINGRAY> kali ty
<Twobar> that's the clue
<Twobar> nytol
<MrRod> STINGRAY: Umm.. Most likely the aren't made in the US.
<Kaliuna> nite two
<`STINGRAY> illegals come here dont want to learn english and that pisses meoff
<MrRod> STINGRAY: Do you know exactly where they were made?
<MrRod> STINGRAY: At least THEY can type!
<Lajko> They think California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas belong to them, okay that's nice.
<syf> hehe
<`STINGRAY> mr rod america saw it on tv 2 days ago
<Lajko> But what are they doing in Colorado?
<Lajko> Someone explain.
<tamin> OldHippie, to collect social security one needs to be 67 or disabled
<`STINGRAY> mr rod bite me'
<Lajko> And even in Missouri, there are tons of them there.
<DrFlip> MrRod: http://www.nbwebexpress.com/browse.asp?list=usa&showDetails=yes
<syf> "made in america" somewhere in colombia
<tamin> OldHippie, social security checks death certificates regularly
<OldHippie> tamin, where did I say collect. I said SS was collecting on millions of bogus numbers
<bud`> Lajko I25 brings them all the way to Denver. and theirs plenty of work out on the plains
<Kaliuna> Lajko - they are everywhere...
<tamin> OldHippie, SS was collecting on millions of bogus numbers <-what the **** does that mean?
<bud`> there's
<syf> seriously you specifically look for made in america products `STINGRAY?
<syf> that's rather extreme
<tamin> OldHippie, u mean people were paying in FICA taxes on false numbers?
<OldHippie> tamin, going back to the start of all of this. That illegals can get fake documents to work
<Necrosan> !
<Lajko> English is America's official language, if things are going to be printed in English AND Spanish then they might as well include tons of other languages.
<OldHippie> YES
<Necrosan> !
<MrRod> STINGRAY: "New Balance continues to manufacture a percentage of its shoes In the USA." I wonder. 5%? 10%?
<tamin> OldHippie, sure they can, but that has nothing to do with an income study that would use a few thousand people across the nation
<[brent]> in Canada a lot of things are english and french...
<`STINGRAY> mr rod google it
<[brent]> but yeah it annoys me to see all the spanish and then hear all the complaining about immigrants
<OldHippie> tamin, you said illegals could not have SS numbers. I was just showing you they could
<tamin> OldHippie, NO I SAID ILLEGALS COULD NOT HAVE VALID SS NUMBERS
<`STINGRAY> lold hippie yep they buy them
<tamin> KEY WORD: VALID
<OldHippie> tamin, a survey like that is as worthless as the polls they do that way
<[brent]> i know not to move to say Slovakia because i only speak english
<tamin> OldHippie, THEY REPORT THE MARGIN OF ERROR IN EVERY STUDY
<[brent]> so they are just encouraging this whole spanish anthem idea with a 2nd language on consumer products
<OldHippie> tamin, forget it. The point was made long ago, you are circular arguing now
<tamin> OldHippie, have u never taken statistics?
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