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<0> that be different bmc
<1> they can bust in if they thing someone is in danger
<1> think
<1> otherwise you need a warrant to enter
<2> Floppy thats the point, its not about warrantless searches
<3> yes but they can find probable cause
<2> its about Warranted Raids
<4> yes, the conditions in which a police officer can just "barge into" a private place is more limited.
<3> "i smelled marijuana smoke"
<2> No knock warrants
<0> but if for example they think Katey has a Meth Lab......
<1> CryHavoc, Shhh!
<0> they would have to get a warrant denoting that they seek that specific item
<4> bmc: the standard for entering a home is greater than just any "probable cause"
<0> heh Katey
<3> CryHavoc what if they smelt a strong odor of chemicals coming from the house?
<4> otherwise, why would they ever need a warrant?
<3> could obviously constitute a public health hazard
<0> Katey uses lab samples to get people into Dailykos
<3> sounds like probably cause to me
<3> probable*
<1> lol
<0> as long as they could legally justify it...
<1> I think the only way cops can bust in without a warrant is if they percieve an immediate danger to a person or persons
<0> for example...some evidence against John Couhy is gonna be tossed....
<4> bmc: while it varies from state to state: there are generally only three conditions they can barge in without a warrant: apprehension of a fleeing felon, they visibly witness a crime being committed [ i.e. thru an open window ].. and when they have probable cause that a violent crime is occuring, such as if they hear a rape.
<0> Law enforcement could not justify actions involving collection of some eviodence
<5> its important to protect people's rights against unreasonable (not the same as unwarrented) search and seizure, but we also have to maintain common sense. If there is irrefutable evidence against a person the law should not pretend it doesn't exist based on a technicality
<0> Constitutional rights exist for all.....a drawback to the concept of freedom
<1> I tend to want to agree with that. However, tossing evidence that's been unlawfully obtained helps to enforce the law against obtaining evidence illegally
<0> but its benefits out weigh its drawbacks
<0> **scary ****** I agree with Katey
<4> katey: yes/no. you should not punish society for the criminal actions of the police.
<1> It pushes law enforcement to confine themselves to the law
<0> it watches the watchers
<6> Senate P***es $94.5B Emergency Spending Bill
<4> katey: the law should be held accountable for violations of civil rights, in a criminal court.
<6> how lovely
<1> If the standards are softened too much then what motivation does law enforcement have to stay within the law themselves?
<0> Lupine...a corrupt cop is worse then a hardened criminal
<6> only one person voted against it
<6> what fine and true republicans we have these days
<5> who?
<4> Cry: absolutely. which is why the violation should not be the evidence is tossed [ which punishes the innocent society ].. but that the cop faces criminal charges.
<6> Arlen Specter
<0> I disagree
<4> i believe the system of justice ought to be based upon truth/facts first.
<5> every spending bill is an "emergency" with the Senate
<7> The power of worldcup...
<8> hey, they're just paying off the folks that got them elected...
<7> A 94-year-old declared dead suddenly sprang up and asked when Germany were next playing in the World Cup.
<1> Eh. it's hard enough to get quality people to join the police force. If you add on a signficant risk of prosecution for procedural errors, it will just be that miuch harder
<7> When told she had been declared dead by doctors, Maria Mueller replied: "Not likely, not until I see if Germany wins the World Cup.
<7> "There's still life in these old bones yet, and I certainly couldn't miss the football."
<7> Mrs Mueller had been found slumped over in her chair by son Bernhard Mueller, 66, at their home in Luegde. Neither Bernhard nor a local doctor could find a pulse.
<0> If the police do not follow the letter of the law in their job, it follows that what evidence they have tainted should not be allowed in a trial
<8> quid pro quo
<6> i dont understand how these people can even call themselves republicans
<5> hmmm... what was Spectre's reasons? what political arm twisting was he trying to accomplish?
<0> but a cop up on actual criminal charges...thats a hoot
<2> niiiiiice
<6> they spend like full fledged dems
<5> hah, then you haven't seen full-fledged Dems
<6> dude
<6> i dont know if you know this or not
<0> Ever since the the Vegas police merged with the county police, there have been 72 instances of a fatal occurence between cops and citizens....
<5> as much as the Republicans spend, the Dems want to spend more
<6> but the current version of the gop has outspend every single dem administration in history
<0> to date, the LVMPD has yet to be held liable at all...
<6> outspending fdr, lbj, clinton and carter
<5> administration? or congress?
<2> we were having a few little paint problems on our Jeep, so it was time for our annual Ziebart check up, the guy at Ziebart goes "Uhh, the dealership never contacted us, and since you have Gold Star Warranty, they have to pay for an entire new clear coat job that will cover the ENTIRE jeep"
<6> both
<4> MikeD: the current GOP has increased social/welfare spending the greatest amount since FDR's "new deal".
<2> we were like woo hooo!
<0> this includes....a vagrant dribbling a basketball who clooected 19 rounds of ammo...
<6> i know
<6> and believe me
<4> miked: so its a double ****: spending huge sums of money.. AND minorities/poor still believing the democrats are their party.
<5> that is all true... however they still haven't increased it ENOUGH for the Democrats
<0> a cop who was running at high speed with NO lights and sirens who chewed down and killed a motorcyclist...
<6> i put the vast majority of our republics issues on the shoulders of the new deal and the great society
<4> Cry: throwing out evidence clearly does not keep officers in line.
<0> amongst others....
<0> the cops skate
<2> the guy at the dealership goes "Woah, people usually don't go with Goldstar Warranty on their new Wranglers"
<6> the best way to help the poor is by not being one of them
<0> the concept of cop and criminal prosecution is an oxymoron
<2> hehehe i was like "Yeh, the dealership through it in as part of the cost"
<0> Lupine...it does in an indirect way
<1> `426Hemi, I love stories like that. Some friends of ours had a nearly new TV that got zapped by lightning. They figured the TV was a lost cause but they took it in to Circuit City just in case there was something they could do for it. The guys at Circuit City dropped the TV before they had a chance to open it up and have a look. Circuit City gave them a brand new TV. :P
<0> they can be hit civilly
<2> LOL! Katey
<2> Oooops!
<1> talk about lucky
<0> one venue where the influence of a pigs badge is neutralized
<4> cry: better than 100 guilty violent criminals go to jail even if the proper paperwork was lost.. than a single innocent citizen being harmed.
<2> hell Katey i would have payed them 50$ to drop it
<2> hahahhaha
<1> `426Hemi, lol
<0> Lupine..I have to disagree...
<2> "here's a nice tip for yah"
<0> because cops almost never face criminal charges
<4> cry: that is a seperate problem, IMHO.
<4> it is a huge one, far more worse than those who cry over the "rights" of terrorists
<2> Abu Ayyub Al Masri, gotta love these names
<0> your best defense: Live in a state with few as possible firearm restrictions
<0> not how I see it Lupine
<1> `426Hemi, and the thing is, at that time, my friends couldn't have afforded to replace it themselves
<1> They had a brand new baby, very tight budget
<1> I think the TV had been a Christmas gift
<2> hehe Katey, we had a 12 inch tv for over 5 years =(
<0> remember Kiddies, a dead criminal does not sue, and the cops can not protect their rights while ****ting on you
<2> then we went and bought a 43 inch
<4> Cry: literally yesterday, I had to school the local campus police on the law :-/
<2> it was like being in a movie theater hehehhehee
<1> `426Hemi, I grew up with a 12 inch b/w tv that sat on a metal TV tray. :)
<0> how so Lupine?
<4> Cry: guess they decided to use a dog to "sniff" cars in the parking lot.. and demanded to search my car for firearms.
<2> now we have the 43 inhc, a 19 inch flat screen and the little 12 inch that sits on top of my 43 inch that i use to watch NASCAR races when the wife is watching something on the big tv
<2> I call it "Picture on a Picture"
<2> hahaha
<4> which was hysterical, because it is #1 legal for anyone who can legally own a gun, to have a gun in their car on campus
<0> Right to defense against unreasonable search and seizure
<1> heh
<1> We have a 27" Wega. It's no plasma tv but it's got a good picture, works well.
<4> there are many good cops out there.. but there are also way too many cops who are totally ignorant of the laws.
<0> One bad cop is one too many....
<1> We probably won't get another TV until we can afford a 40" flat screen, hang it on the wall. :)
<2> Byrd calls adding the war debt on top of the federal deficit is iresponsible, ok, so what was it when Clinton did it?
<0> and when you toss in that they protect their own,.....fageddabotit
<2> Clinton debt = good, Bush debt = bad
<8> we went to some friend's house over the weekend...3 in the family..they have 8...count em..8 televisions...
<8> I just laughed and shook my head
<4> cry: that is the real problem.. you expect any profession to have their bad appples. but the REAL problem is, they do not police their own people.
<0> now...its more like this....
<1> wow
<1> how do they manage to watch them all?
<1> :)
<8> Katey, maybe they're hoping to find one that shows decent programming once in a while :)
<1> lol
<4> I'm waiting for the net-generation stuff to all settle down.
<1> Honestly, the biggest motivation for me to get a flat screen tv is that you can hang it on the wall
<1> :)
<9> I bought one of those last week
<1> I like the idea of not having a big box taking up space in the rooom
<8> they even had one out by their pool..with a dvd player so they can watch movies while they swim
<4> cry: oh, you missed bmc's latest ignorant rant yesterday.. claiming there is a huge USSC precedent on the 2nd amendment.. and he kept quoting cases... that did not even MENTIOn the 2nd amendment :-)
<4> katey: get a projector! :-)
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