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<0> Steve1001 they were illegal, a material breach. yet you ignore them, want them ignored, just so you can sit on some high stool and call Bush a Liar? where is the logic in that?
<1> Truth hurts like hell.
<2> :)
<3> Which is what I thought people wanted.. Legal Immigration or is it really that you dont want these brown skinned people coming over becuase you fear they will take the USA and incroproate it into mexico ;)
<4> i think the guy is like 10
<5> So old they wouldn't work!
<6> sniff sniff, i'm really gonna miss that little guy
<0> Glock21 ya know what gets me. the most.
<4> he was already bitching about rusty cursing
<3> I have heard that said on this channel.. So dont tell me IM full of it.
<4> :P
<7> Freemrkts, lol
<6> he had soooooooo much to say on sooooooo many things
<5> ****ing bianary shells, they will work in 100 years
<1> Darth... what?
<3> "They are taking over by moving here, they dont need to fight a war"
<3> Katey, yes its quite absurd but then I expect anything to be said these days ;)
<0> Glock21 what document was Saddam FORCED to sign at GUNPOINT back in 1991?
<4> we already have guest workers
<7> Freemrkts, hope not. I'm really tired of Mexican food. :P
<4> and over 100k legal immigrants anually
<4> annually*
<1> DarthBurg... shh... don't talk about the ceasefire agreement... it makes them sound ignorant.
<1> :P
<3> Katey haha.. So bring in more Indians.. indian food is good!
<0> Glock21 hehehehe
<7> Freemrkts, aye! Now THAT I can get behind. :)
<3> bmc, Guest workers are legal workers not illegals.
<1> DarthBurg... because if they aren't part of the group that never heard about it... they are the ones that completely forgot.
<4> yes, guest worker programs already exist
<4> several of them :P
<8> guest workers, illegal immigrants, all cheap labor, all drive down the wages of americans
<3> bmc, Yes it does and it includes the whole world.
<7> We'll let in new immigrants based on the quality of their cuisine
<0> Glock21 imagine if say, Bush ignored an Unconditional Cease Fire.
<7> :)
<1> One of the most "inconvenient truths" for the anti-Iraq War crowd.
<3> I read in a report that even if true they reduce labor by .40 an hour.
<1> DarthBurg... They can't admit it happened... because Clinton used it to justify his military actions against Iraq.
<3> And another report says even if they reduce labor by that they actually cause dob creation which produces actually more labor.
<4> most americans support leaving immigration numbers as is, or reducing them, not increasing them
<4> legal or otherwise
<0> Glock21 and for eight years Clinton did.... nothing.
<0> oh he did fire some missiles.
<0> and talked a lot.
<4> most americans also support temporary guest workers
<3> Most Americans support a variation of the Bush plan, but this debate started on the issue of legal workers being discussed I didnt bring up the topic.
<4> guest worker != path to citizenship
<1> Not that most of them can admit Clinton did more than bomb a couple missile launchers. (being responsible for half a million Iraqi children's deaths is another "inconvenient truth" and supporting that person must be real tough if they have to accept that)
<3> Someone was complaining about Legal aliens.
<9> I support deportation
<4> the "path" is to follow the legal immigration procedure
<9> yep bmc
<9> only way
<4> even bush has flipped on that issue
<1> Clinton accomplished less and killed far more in Iraq... try and get a democrat to admit that though.
<6> i wasn't complaining about them, i said that any type of guest worker program, would not address the 15+ million illegal aliens in this country
<4> he longer wants to just throw them to the front of the line
<3> bmc, I dont think anything should be a path to citizenship guranteed.. I think they should go to the back of the line put their appplication in even if they are working here.
<4> he says even if there were a path, they have to get at the end of the line
<6> i love legal immigration, from any country
<3> You know if there are 500,000 applications there should be 500,001
<9> nah
<3> even if living here as a legal resident in the meantime.
<9> they should never have the chance to become citizens
<6> we can change the laws of this country to ignore the illegality of those illegal aliens, but that does not make it right
<3> **** you Rob.
<9> what?
<7> that's a recipe for trouble
<9> they broke the law
<7> permanent marginalized cl*** of people
<9> they deserve to be punished
<4> if youre here illegally, they should have to return to their home country and immigrate legally
<7> that's bad news
<4> same with guest worker program
<6> and besides, to charge them back taxes and a fee to be citizens, when they've broken the law, why don't we just reward all felonies
<9> what's up with the ad hom?
<4> have to at least make it earned
<8> if you've broken the law, and entered the country illegally, and stolen our social services, they need to leave and never have the chance to become citizens.
<4> not just "oh you broke the law, heres a work here legally for 3 yrs p***"
<7> Zimmer, how would you propose to remove them?
<9> if i was arguing like that, you would ban me
<6> i think that the Congress needs to look up the word "illegal"
<3> Rob, What do you think about Israel ?
<2> how the r**** did a rapper like p diddy end up earning 100's of millions and getting a clothes label like sean john?
<3> Its a nation of Illegal immigrants.
<2> answer me that ffs
<2> heh
<9> Freemrkts: what about Israel?
<3> I support Israel btw.
<9> Freemrkts: it isn't a nation of illegal immigrants :)
<9> Freemrkts: it became a nation, so the immigrants are legal
<7> The most sensible solution won't likely be the one that "feels" the best
<9> which might be an example of what is the future of southwestern america
<9> azatlan?
<7> Fine them for breaking the law
<9> atzlan
<7> if that's the issue
<4> the most sensible solution it to follow the will of the people
<3> Well Its a country mostly of illegal aliens who came to palestine and unloaded off ships in the middle of the night supported by a number of terrorist groups against the legal authority of the British who didnt want anymore immigrants because the land couldnt support them.
<8> katey: deport illegals when found, stickly enforce existing laws against employers who violate the law, and expanding mexico's infrastructure so they don't have to leave their country to find a good job.
<4> consquenced be damned
<4> this is america
<4> not USSR
<9> estados unidos de nortre
<7> bmc, the will of "the people" is always sensible?
<3> Should they be punished or should we left it go ?
<4> Katey following it is
<9> Freemrkts: well, they established their own country....
<7> bmc, not always
<4> whether or not their opinion is sensible
<9> Freemrkts: so the laws of the previous do not apply
<7> sometimes the "will of the people" is retarded
<8> katey: yep
<10> Free America; most floks here did not go thru Ellis Island
<10> folks
<3> Rob Yes they did, and the thing about the mexicans is they are not out to start their own country.
<7> That's a good reason why we don't have direct democracy
<4> the only "sensible" government position is to follow majority rule, so long as its not infringing upon the minorities rights
<6> i think the worst tragedy is that we (the US) are even considering CHARGING the illegals to stay ! pay some arbitrary amount of money, back taxes, and you get a fast-track to citizenship, and those others that went the legal immigration can stay at the back of the line
<4> lex majoris partis
<10> bmc not always
<9> Freemrkts: well... I hear different... many of them (not all) want to start a country called estados unidos de norte
<4> always
<9> united states of the north
<7> you have to do what's practically workable
<10> counting noses is a helluva way to make a decission
<4> it doesnt matter what the government thinks
<9> which doesn't make sense... since america would be north of them :)
<7> and which disrupts our economy and way of life the least
<4> it doesnt matter what mexico thinks
<3> And I only bring that up that perhaps you should be more sensitive coming from a people who have been abused historically.
<7> generally speaking
<4> all that matters is what the american people think
<9> part of mexico, and part of america make up this envisioned country
<10> Baja Canada?
<11> Well inflation has gone up again! All of those minimum wage workers asking for $0.10 a hour cost of living increases are to blame!!! My golf membership has gone up because of those motherf ucking terrorists!!!!
<7> A lot of the "outrage" over this issue has been generated by the media anyway
<4> stock market doesnt look good
<7> Most people didn't give a **** about this 2 years ago
<4> how did it end up today?
<9> I also support an amendment in which children of illegals are not made citizens
<4> just saw it early was lowest in 1 yr
<8> granting mexican immigrants, they what we are talking about, a special status due to their geographic relationship with the US is "unfair" to all those who "just want a better life" currently in africa, asia, and eastern europe.
<4> did it end up that low?
<7> RobVanDam, also a bad idea
<9> Katey: actually, it is a great idea
<4> RobVanDam doesnt need an amendment for it
<11> The poor are the cause of all the problems in this country! We need to find some way to put more of the poor in prison to increase the prison labor pool to enrich corporations!
<7> any proposal which will create a permanent disenfranchised cl*** of people is a bad idea
<9> why should kids of illegals automatically become citizens?
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