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<0> which is why Israel used unmarked jets
<1> Rob, I dont now at the time when MacNamara and johnson were embroiled in vietnam scared to death of Russia and its nuclear bombs.
<2> why would they U.S. nuke cairo for that
<2> the
<3> I would expect us to atleast down the Israeli planes
<3> and the Israeli ships
<3> if this actually took place
<1> this kind of publicity was needed to be shut up
<1> And they were ready to sacrifice americans for it.
<1> I wouuld not havve
<0> none of the survivors saw any markings on the israeli jets, so if the ship was sunk with no survivors, they would have thought that egypt sunk it
<1> I would of ordered the planes and the pt boat killed
<4> Johnson was pretty weak as aleader
<3> the Israeli planes and ships should have been downed
<3> FreeTrade: they did not complete the mission
<1> But the fact was we didnt want Russia to know what we were doing in international waters, and we were not a war vessel it was intelligence.
<0> the americans didnt have any ships near by
<0> no air support
<1> the first two rockets took down the commuication antennas
<0> and the israelis were jamming the liberty's radios
<1> TD they had one within range which sent off 2 f14s or f16s
<3> FreeTrade: and why would macnamara do this?
<3> FreeTrade: you don't just let a country attack your military, ally or not
<5> The idea that the US would attack egypt because of one lost ship seems suspect
<1> Then macnamara sec of defense ordered them back
<4> well it was hushed up for sure
<3> but the ship was not sunk
<1> www.ussliberty.org quit burying your heads and learn the truth people.
<0> the BBC documentary says that the U.S sent up nuclear bombers to hit cairo, and that macnamara called them back
<1> td, thats a lie
<1> That might of been a cover story the british invented
<4> but no I don't think we would have nuked Cairo
<1> its well documented
<2> lol
<1> No of course not
<1> we would never have nuked cairo
<0> well this documentary is pretty convincing
<1> jesus what advantage would that have been to the USA
<3> I am not defending Israel
<3> I am trying to figure out this whole conspiracy theory
<3> because I for damn sure would have taken out the planes and the boat
<3> for attacking our military
<1> Frankly I think Johnson was terrified of the russians
<1> consider this.
<0> the Israelis wanted the U.S. to enter the war
<0> if the liberty is sunk that might bring them in
<1> North Korean army ? Controlled and aided mostly by china ?
<1> Nope
<1> Russia
<3> .org... not .gov....
<1> Almost exclusively aided and controleld by Russia
<1> Same with Vietnam
<1> China has much less to do with these conflict than russia.
<1> China didnt want a war with the USA
<1> Russia or the soviets had world ambitions.
<1> China only had Chinese ambitions.
<1> China didnt want to spread itself over europe or india or africa
<1> Russia did
<5> "I can tell you for an absolute certainty (from intercepted communications) that the Israelis knew they were attacking an American ship."
<5> -- NSA Deputy Director Oliver Kirby
<3> FreeTrade: ok... but how does eliminating the planes which "bombed" the liberty have anything to do with this?
<3> it would have sent a message to the russians not to **** with us
<3> because if we do this to our allys
<3> imagine what we would do to you
<6> they took over tibet though
<1> Gujiri, the truth is so obvious to not believe it you have to defy logic.
<0> http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/dead_in_the_water.shtml
<1> First you have to ask why over 200 american vets are lying.
<0> thats the documentary.. i know where you can download it :)
<1> And why the captain of the USS Liberty got a medal of honor in a warehouse in a secret ceremony
<7> td- hook it up
<1> no public
<1> no press
<1> no camera
<4> BBC has broadcast many silly things
<1> And first Israel lied
<1> then they changed their story
<4> the History Channel even broadcasts some BS
<1> which was still a lie but eventually the settled on a story they claim is true to this day.
<1> I consider Israel an ally..
<1> Ok, 67 is over..
<1> USS liberty is over
<0> its not over man
<7> FreeTrade to an extent, but then you hear of them having spies all over the US
<4> It's over Johnny!
<3> FreeTrade: why are american vets protesting iraq?
<1> But I dont like what they did to the USS liberty and I think Oliver north should do a deep documentary on that story
<1> Rob, Some american vets came away from the war very anti war
<0> http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/ has that BBC documentary.. you gotta register though
<1> some came away very pro US and pro war.
<0> ;(
<5> FreeTrade, yeah it is unforunate history, but israel relies on us to a huge extent
<1> in this case
<3> FreeTrade: why did vets spit in vets faces during vietnam?
<3> FreeTrade: why did vietnam vets lie about what was goin on in vietnam?
<7> td- can you just register, or do you have to jump through hoops
<4> most of teh face-spitters were not vets
<4> but yeah some were. Being a vet doesn't make you perfect
<5> We provide regional security to israel in conjunction with our own energy security
<4> look at John Kerry
<0> you just have to register. takes 2 minutes (but i'd use a garbage email address so that your main doesnt get any spam.. if they do send out spam)
<1> Vietnam war was a sorry mistake because A) we were wiping the French's butt, it was their war, B) it was not voluntary it was compulsive service, C) we didnt have a real dog in that fight. No real strategic reason for fighting it other than the truman doctrine
<1> Everyone remembers the truman doctrine right ?
<1> COntain communism stop the domino effect?
<3> FreeTrade: being anti war is fine... but you don't go and make up lies saying american troops committed atrocities when no such thing happened
<0> its a bittorrent site.. not direct download
<0> enough of that.. the u.s.s liberty is over
<0> nobody really cares anymore..
<1> We could of avoided communism and a war had we joined with ho chi minh for a non corrupt capitalist nationalism (Thats very speculative of me and I probably shouldnt say it)
<1> My point is he was more of a nationalist than an ideologue.
<1> he didnt care so much about communism but he did nationalism
<3> ie john kerry
<1> td, I care will die caring it will never be over for me until we apologize to those men..
<1> I dont care if israel apologizes
<5> The war against iran is still unclear to me. I think the merits of it are worthwhile, but the downfall of attacking them while being in such huge deficits and trying to sustain iraq seems crazy
<1> I want america to apologize to them
<0> I want Israel to apologize
<4> hey ther are lots of things the US will never make open
<5> We should support israel against annihilation, and in that respect it is important to stop an iranian bomb
<1> Gujiri, a peaceful friend and ally in the exact middle of the middle east can be a tremendous benefit and the dividends could pay 10 x 10 fold.
<0> that video has interviews with high ranking Israeli officials from the time, and they blame the american sailors
<0> for being there!
<8> FreeTrade: we need to work on the "peaceful"
<4> I believe that the reason those soldiers will not be apologized to, is that info is stil cl***ified
<1> td, are you american or Israeli ?
<0> neither
<8> Gujiri: btw, there is no war against iran
<7> td- k, im all logged in, torrent link?
<1> Ok then shut up
<4> TO tell you the truth, there are things my Dad should have been apologized to for, and that's still cl***ified too
<6> http://www.liberal.org.au/documents/Hartcher_article_-_Fin_Times_100506.pdf
<4> it will never happen
<0> bud`: just type Liberty in the search box
<5> |bob, It was expressed in the future tense.
<1> When you talk bad about my american soldiers who took **** for no reason, It pisses me off
<7> td- i did, nothing
<1> US, Your dad was on the USS liberty or something you cant talk about ?
<8> Gujiri: bush is not seeking war against Iran
<4> FT no
<0> hrm
<1> Suych things should be decl***ified
<5> I think war against iran is already happening
<4> he wasn't on teh liberty, but Korean War related
<1> unless they harm national security
<5> We have special forces there
<0> ill msg you it
<1> he uss liberty cantr possibly harm national security
<4> I don't think it will be decl***ified any time soon
<4> MidEast is to "hot"
<8> FreeTrade: when was the USS liberty? what year?
<1> none has the balls to stand up in front of america and say we are sorry for not helping you when Israel attacked you
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