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<0> sigh
<1> you have to play by China's rules when in China
<2> because when China's business is taken care of, they might be held accountable for supporting the current regime
<0> they didn't give it much of a chance
<1> that's just how it is
<3> google's cofounder now says: "maybe we should go the principled way"
<4> if $$$ can make Google evil... $$$ can make anyone evil....
<0> sounds like the bottom line is influencing that position!
<2> Linus..you missed the point...
<0> whose?
<5> `426hemi is banned (Requested by TheTailor - Reason: Nick Thief )
<2> Sooner or Later ( prob Sooner) Chinese Capitalism is going to collide with Chinses Government...
<3> really?
<0> in what manner?
<2> and my bet is that the Capitalism will steam roller the current Chinese regime
<3> i hope so but how come
<4> One "freedom" gets in the door... it's hard to close it....
<0> i don't see that trend
<0> since us businesses take it in the arse in order to access their market
<2> then...you have too many people in China to be controlled from one spot...unless military force is used
<3> WTO should enforce its principles
<2> catbooted..it is inevitable
<0> CryHavoc, what has happened to convince you of this?
<2> I am predicting that China will fractionate
<0> because everything ive read about seems to suggest otherwise
<2> Linus...Tiannenmen Square...and m***ive amounts of profit
<4> so we should just let the Chinese go bizerk?
<3> democracy is all about fractionate
<6> Increasing prosperity among Chinese will likely lead to more educated people who will ultimately demand more freedoms. Just my opinion.
<2> RustSA...China will have to deal with it
<7> Katey, and more money.
<0> that the regime is circling the wagons and placating more and more of the m***es by making them middle cl***
<3> yes, we demand.
<3> but how do we get it
<8> President Bush is holding a Rose Garden press conference in half an hour
<4> We will have to "deal with" China
<2> Katey...and eventually that will collide with their government
<2> it is already starting
<0> the govt is saturated in untold wealth
<2> places like Shanghai are making so much money.....
<0> unlike the soviet regime when it fell
<3> money is not power
<6> TheTailor, sure, perhaps. But when people are less isolated and ignorant, they tend to have a better understanding of what is possible.
<2> they bribe the communist cells to not report...
<3> money doesn't bring the government military tech
<9> Linus-, who china? you forget all those bad loans?
<0> Katey, they are so far from that tipping point imo
<2> no they are not
<6> Which is one reason that I think that the tactic of isolating bad states doesn't really do much to push that state to reform
<2> China loosened up its stock market as in who can buy into it
<0> christ, the govt is complicit in the selling of body parts extracted from murdered "dissidents"
<0> that's pretty damn far
<2> they also are forcing their brokers to register
<6> Linus-, everything that I've read about China gives me the impression that life ther is changing rapidly
<6> Who knows how long that will last, of course
<0> in urban cores
<2> Katey...rapidly is an understatement
<6> Linus-, rural people are moving to urban centers more now though
<3> i myself don't want to put my money in china's banks
<3> i don't trust them
<2> catbooted...China wants you to....
<6> The Chinese government isn't restricting people's movement to urban centers these days
<2> so they are winnowing out the cheaters and criminals
<0> Katey, especially not the ones who are forced from their homes for the latest dam
<9> no one trusts chinese banks not even them ... why do you think gold jumped so much?
<2> Tiannenmen Square showed the chinese who thair enemy is...
<0> I'm afraid that us business is only fortifying the regime's grasp
<0> greg, good point
<2> Linus...we do not have the luxury of that choice
<2> China has 1/6th of the worlds consumers
<0> we don't need to rush in headlong like hungry pooches though
<9> look at how many chinese businessmen and warlords get caught every month trying to take money out of the country and into other accoutns
<0> grovelling for their money
<6> Linus-, it may appear that way, but a side effect of China's push to become more economically competitive is greater economic opportunity for its' people, which will be good in the long run, I think
<2> Us doing business with China is an unavoidable evil
<6> I'll not defend China's repressive system.
<2> but their repressive system will not hold....
<3> say if a large portion of chinese knowledge workers work for the west,
<0> Katey, yes america's industrial revolution in the long run was good, but think of all the abuse workers endured, and the environment
<3> just like the indians,
<4> maybe China's "represive system" is superior?
<2> nope
<0> then multiply that by 250x
<2> it will fail
<6> Linus-, yes, I know what you're saying.
<3> will the west care about these workers' human rights?
<2> Freedom is corrosive
<6> Linus-, But I don't see any other more likely road to improvement for people there.
<6> Isolating China would make things worse, I think
<4> maybe the unrestrained persuit of profit by western nations will "fail"?
<2> nope
<6> As much as we might feel their regime deserves isolation, I don't think it does anything but worsen conditions for the people there
<2> because we have restraints on our pursuit of profit
<0> Katey, the United States growing some actual balls and not forcing its own taxpayers to bail out trade deficits while United States corporations profit from engaging with regime
<4> well cryHavoc said no... we're ok
<0> I'm not proposing isolation
<0> I'm proposing some fortitude
<2> Linus...now yer talking corporate welfare....
<10> hmmm... what is so different about Ubuntu "Dapper Drake"? that everone is going ga-ga over?
<2> which should end
<4> I'm proposing one world, one nation, one race....
<0> one stfu
<0> ;)
<3> liberate china!
<2> RustSA...eventually, that is what it will be
<11> one race? thats a lot of mingling
<0> this isn't a 70s coke ad
<4> I hope so soon ch
<0> yeah, I'm excited at everyone being brown/brown
<4> We are all humans?
<2> do not expect soon......
<2> Nation-Statism is a vicious disease
<2> as we wave our insipid little flags
<0> RustSA, buy the world a coke
<4> everyone says that "the anti-christ" wants one world government... so we should avoid it???
<2> Linus snorts his coke
<6> RustSA, that's only in Jack Chick comix
<6> :)
<0> CryHavoc, there was some research done in a boys summer camp about divvying up the boys into two separate groups, with a name and a flag for each
<2> Anti-Christ ....religious fairy tale bull****
<4> bullsh!t!!!!
<0> no competitions slated for the two head to head, but it didn't matter
<11> next you'll have cats sleeping with dogs - its going to be chaos
<0> they became keenly factional
<2> yes Linus...
<2> human nature
<0> the flag alone
<4> that is what eveyone says... one world government = anti-christ... and Isreal boom blah blah
<12> rusta: who says that?
<0> look at soccer hooligans
<6> RustSA, everyone?
<2> Nation-Statism had its day...but it is inefficient and a waste of resources
<6> everyone who?
<0> i said it yesterday i think!
<6> OMG!!
<4> everyoner *I* hear
<3> i still don't see a foreign hospital, school or bank
<0> hear ye hear ye
<3> maybe foreign banks are already in china
<6> I only hear fringe nuts say that....and I don't hear from them very often
<3> without foreign military,
<3> everything is vulnerable.
<13> Sounds to me RustSa needs to reconsider how he is choosing who he is surrounding himself with
<0> Katey, RustSA was in N_W_O til they booted him for loving on bush
<12> Well lemme tell you a think or two about that antichrist stuff....;)
<4> no, not "just the nuts"... that is what I hear from... geeze whereever I get my data
<6> hmm...maybe you're getting your data from screwy sources. :)
<3> say the west send many pretty whores (businesses, capital) to china to make it "prosperious"
<2> like Dailykos :P LOL
<4> um. no.... That is what I hear... "The anti-chist" will be a european leader that wants one world government.
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