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<0> sounds like it adds up perfectly
<1> `426Hemi, well planned development aid could bring Africa out of the poverty trap, decrease birth rates markedly, and bring Africa into the modern age
<2> No matter how much aid you send Africa, things won't get better until the area is stable
<2> As long as there is civil war, strife, aid we send will just be ****ed into a black hole
<3> nigerians give us taxi cab drivers
<4> "move to where the ****ing food is!"
<1> Herzen, so lets call for a peacekeeping force
<5> zadd you can only help so much , then it becomes the responcibility of those who need help to hellp themselfs , kinda hard to save people from aids when they use the condoms we send them to carry water back from the river
<3> null hiya
<6> In a two-day summit held earlier this week in Tripoli to discuss the situation in Sudan, the seven African leaders who took part agreed that they will reject intervention in Darfur by non-African countries.
<2> zadd, Lets recolonize and civilize them for another 300 years
<2> since obviously they can't take care of themselves
<6> The leadersrepresenting Libya, Chad, Gabon, Egypt, Eritrea, Nigeria, and Sudanissued a statement saying that they reject any foreign intervention in the Darfur problem, and dealing with it should be through its African framework.
<6> Canadas offer to send troops to the war-torn region was rebuffed last week by the Sudanese government, which said it had not been properly consulted regarding the issue. Canada had planned to send 100 military experts and $170 million in aid to ***ist the African Unions peacekeeping effort in the region.
<7> Belgium worked wonders in the Congo and Rwanda
<2> Damn right
<0> LOL King Leopolds Ghost !!!
<1> Herzen, we need to stop doing business with dictators
<4> zadd like saudi arabia?
<1> Herzen, oil money props up a lot of dictators
<0> Isn't all of africa dictators ?
<6> In a March 28 speech at Kentucky State University, Bridgewater said U.S.-African trade totaled $24 billion ($24,000 million) in 2002 -- making the United States Africa's largest single market.
<6> "The United States is both the leading foreign investor and the largest bilateral aid donor to Africa -- providing more than $2 billion ($2,000 million) in overall development, humanitarian and security ***istance this past year," she added.
<4> zadd or pakistan?
<1> Null_Ptr, yes, like saudi arabia
<1> Null_Ptr, yes, like pakistan
<4> if we stop doing business with those people, they will become islamic republics
<2> Whenever we try not doing business with dictators
<4> whereas now at least they arguably aren't
<2> Cuba and Iraq come to mind, it just makes the population a lot poorer
<6> A large proportion of the $3 billion ($3,000 million) in remittances that Africa receives from the diaspora each year originates in the United States, and more than 30,000 Africans are studying in the United States today, she said.
<2> The best way to root out despotism is: a) Military intervention, b) Create a wealthy middle cl***
<1> Herzen, maybe the CIA should just kill them
<5> yeah look at the UN mission in Rwanda , they setup safe areas for people fleeing the m*** murder , and when the murderers became brazen enough to enter the safe areas to continue the genocide the UN backed off and let it happen
<2> zadd, that would provoke bloody civil wars more then anythiing
<5> basicly rounding everyone up into a nice tidy coral
<2> factions fighting to fill the vacuum left
<1> Herzen, some coup d'tats are not very bloodly
<2> and others are tremendously
<2> You can't just go into states and remove their leaders without sticking around to stabilize and keep it peaceful
<1> Herzen, the trick is to have a regime ready to take over
<2> Anything else is irresponsible
<6> Since the first democratic election in 1994 in South Africa, the United States has been the largest source of foreign direct investment in South Africa (a cumulative amount of $3.3 billion).
<6> where's zadd's bull**** now?
<7> Africa's an unusual case..since the 'states' there basically exist only on a map...
<2> DeDannan, right
<1> `426Hemi, you have yet to show a figure for direct humanitarian aid
<2> arbitrarily drawn up
<5> dunno 426hemi guess its kinda hard to talk out ones *** with a foot embeded in it :)
<4> personally i think people get the government they deserve
<4> and i mean that
<1> Null_Ptr, try living in a police state
<2> i don't think that the Iraqi people 'deserved' a government that intimidated and killed them for ethnic differences, dissent, etc
<4> zadd try doing something about it
<4> zadd instead of whining to superman to come save you
<0> Zadd Rusty did you a favor, your the one that brought up this subject. The rule on the channel is you prove your point
<6> As part of it's overall $80 million food aid program in 2003, USAID provided 102,160 MT of P.L. 480 Title II emergency food aid, valued at $58 million, which represents 70% of the food aid distributed by the World Food Program to nearly 2.5 million people in the conflict and drought affected areas of northern and eastern Uganda.
<4> herzen they sure put up with it for a long time
<0> No you prove it or STFU
<1> rond, what point did I not prove?
<2> Null_Ptr, Have you lived in a despotic state?
<6> I have been doing nothing but showing you instances of direct humanitarian aid
<1> Null_Ptr, what would you like me to do?
<4> herzen what kind of question is that. have you?
<0> Prove the west has not been charitable
<6> but you ignore the facts
<0> thats your point dumb ***
<2> Yes, I have
<0> and you know it
<4> which one
<2> Ukraine under Soviet rule
<1> rond, my claim was that we need to be more charitable
<2> People don't just go out and overthrow the state in these states, for fear of their family's lives
<4> therefore you bristle at my ***ertion that people can do something about their circumstances because in ukrain they couldn't?
<2> life might ****, but having your wife and children put to death
<4> that's understandable...
<2> is a much more powerful negative incentive
<4> ok i will not argue that point
<4> what do you think should have been done
<2> Which state?
<4> in ukraine
<2> In Ukraine? Nothing could be done until Russia became non-USSR
<2> because if we did anything, they would just roll in with soldiers and tanks from their much larger more powerful state
<4> does it then follow that other despotic states nothing can be done until underlying circumstances change?
<0> read the first few pages of "Glag Archipelago"
<2> No, because each situation is different
<7> sort of like they did in Hungary in 1956..and Czechoslovakia in 1968
<3> ukraine ya hot woman in sewxy burlap carrying water buckkets on their heads feedin chickens on cobblestone streets
<0> pretty much says everything
<3> yehaw
<6> Two new initiatives announced June 30 by President Bush will attack one of the biggest killers in Africa -- malaria -- and support the continent's future by investing in the education of its children, especially girls, according to U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) Administrator Andrew Natsios, who briefed the press the same day at the Department of State in Washington.
<6> The president's malaria initiative aims to reduce malaria deaths by 50 percent in targeted African countries by the end of 2010, Natsios said. The United States will be responsible for 15 countries under the initiative and will begin work at the beginning of the next fiscal year in Tanzania, Uganda and Angola, he added.
<5> zadd maybe what africa needs a an effective UN and for the rest of the world to stop pointing a shaking finger at the USA. Remove the USA as a world leader and ask yourself what kind of world will you be living in?
<6> yet another zadd claim blown out of hte water
<4> `426Hemi I don't think he funded that in his budget; he just announced it and then it sat.
<2> Null_Ptr, Iraq didn't have a larger state next to it propping up their regime, and I wish they would have rebelled, but because they didn't doesn't mean they deserve freedom and democracy and a good life any less then anyone else
<2> They were afraid, and thats perfectly understandable
<1> JBLL, why doesn't the USA go to the UN and demand action?
<6> June 30, 2005 <--- wrong Null
<2> and the state can do a damn fine job of taking care of rebels and dissidents
<6> Natsios noted that all branches of the U.S. government collectively spend a total of about $235 million to fight malaria.
<5> JBL they have and are doing so , BUT you cant make the horse drink
<5> Zadd
<6> The president's education initiative in sub-Saharan Africa will provide $100 million a year over four years, targeting basic education in grades one through 12 in 16 countries. It will provide scholarships for poor and vulnerable children.
<1> `426Hemi, all that is great but we could do a lot more
<2> Null_Ptr, Its easy to say "Well the should just rise up and overthrow the state", but when you live it, you live in fear everyday, you live in fear for your family, its a lot easier said then done
<2> they*
<8> `STINGRAY, I have a girl from Kiev, Ukraine in one of my cl***es, very hot.
<8> Herzen, just sing we shall overcome in Russian.
<7> very little of the 'aid' given to Africa since the 1960s has made it down to the people..most was stolen by corrupt regimes or given to insure the loyalty of a particular dictator to the West or the Soviets
<2> that only works when half your population is reasonable
<4> `426Hemi I don't think those were actually funded. I think those were just announcements.
<2> and the government is fairly reasonable
<3> p o cool
<2> and most of the representatives are reasonable
<6> and again you are thinking wrong
<1> DeDannan, during the Cold War the USA and Soviets supported a lot of dictators in Africa with arms, training, and economic aid; since then western corporations have similarily contributed to the problem by fianancing corrupt governments in Africa for mineral mining rights
<3> P O i hear most ukranian woman look like herzen
<2> P_O, If we sang "We shall overcome" in Russian, it would have been Tiananemein square II
<8> Herzen is very hot then.
<2> actually I
<3> lol
<6> instead of just talking out of your ***, how about you prove it Null_Ptr
<3> Herzen Hizen
<7> zadd, that's pretty well established
<8> lol
<8> Null_Ptr, you and your "I think" statements!
<4> grr
<2> Bode Miller is a loser
<9> you have no school today
<9> wow
<4> there's not a lot of documentation except the budget itself which just was announced a few days ago
<9> what new
<0> Did he loose again ???
<9> we have a budget surplus
<4> let me see what i can find you
<2> No
<8> gop, who are you talking to?
<9> hmm
<2> he USSA was swamped with angry phone calls from team donors and corporate sponsors after Miller said during the interview with correspondent Bob Simon that it's not easy "to ski when you're wasted."
<3> gop heya
<2> The*
<9> P_O: you have no school
<9> heya
<8> gop, yes I do.
<0> Yeah he did party the night before...dumb ***
<8> I'm just not showing up until about 4th period or so.
<9> P_O: your cutting cl***
<8> Considering soon I'll be dropping periods 1-4
<8> it really doesn't matter much.
<6> and Null be very very VERY careful, you are one of those people who sits here complaining and whining about America's deficit
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