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<0> but it stands alone easily
<1> That's interesting.
<2> I don't blame this guy for suing Target
<2> he is only trying to make a point
<1> I do.
<1> Cause he doesn't have a civil right to view the website.
<1> As much as I'm for standards compliance and accessability
<0> I like seriously bad music
<2> He is trying to make them do the right thing
<1> Herzen, if it's bad enoguh it gets good.
<0> Infact, music so bad it becomes good
<2> which they are not choosing on there own
<2> he at least does have the right to do that via the systems set up
<1> rond, it still doesn't change the fact that he's suing falsely in the first place
<2> IE the court system
<1> Target is under no legal obligation to make friendly webpages.
<2> your right
<2> but he does have the right to take them to court
<2> if he wants to
<3> how do people get up at this ungodly hr!
<2> and he is simply is using that right
<1> Suing when you know you don't have the law on your side makes you an *** though.
<2> no it doesn't
<2> you may not like it yourself
<2> but he does have that right
<2> what he does not have the right to do is something violent to try to drive home his point
<1> I guess, but I still say it's an ***y thing to do, suing when you know you shouldn't win.
<2> I bet he does win
<1> I hope he doesn't.
<2> I bet target does the right thing
<1> Cause that sets yet another precedent for courts being able to interfere on things they shouldn't be able to.
<1> Which as far as I'm concerned is 99% of the internet.
<2> and I bet other large internet sites react more towards the need of the blind as well as a result
<2> the blind can ski and do, with help from the ski resorts
<2> they should be able to surf the web too
<1> Herzen, I'm listening to that Paul Engemann song on repeat :P
<1> rond, it should be up to the company not the courts.
<0> Its pretty pro
<2> Imagine having the mind of a whole person and not being able to take part in this part if the modern world
<2> Well target is known for not doing the right thing a lot of the times
<1> If I was blind I'd become a monk.
<2> I wouldn't
<2> I would continue skiing and demanding big companies open this part of the world to me
<1> Herzen, now you're scaring me.
<1> rond, and that's fine.
<1> I'm just saying that suing for it is wrong.
<0> If I was blind I would become a combat frogman
<2> How else would he do it P_O
<1> Actually
<2> what is your suggestion
<1> rond, boycotting.
<2> lol
<1> Raising hell that they don't care about blind people
<2> boycotting
<2> I have so many companies on boycott
<2> and they don't even know about me
<0> i have 0 companies on boycott
<0> right now
<0> well not 'official' boycott
<2> I usually end up needing them before they need me
<0> I have some places where I don't shop because the service or prices **** ***
<0> but other then that
<1> rond, to be honest, it doesn't matter how they do it, I'm merely saying suing in this case shouldn't be how it's done.
<2> well you lodge an complaint with no real effective answer to his problem
<2> I salute the guy
<1> I didn't know it was my job to find an effective answer to another's problem.
<2> complaints in my world should always come with solutions
<2> otherwise STFU
<1> I do have a solution
<2> thats how I try to operate anyway
<1> don't sue when you shouldn't.
<0> CAN/SWE today in hockey
<0> in an hour and a half
<1> Heh.
<0> Canada will win
<0> Canada is something like 15-0 in Exhibition against Sweden this year
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<4> $300,000 of the proposed upgrades at the new headquarters were for Truscott's new director suite that included a $65,000 conference table and more than $100,000 for hardwood floors, custom trim, and other items.
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<4> nice
<5> oh
<2> P_O let me put it another way..when you get old enough to have expercienced the other side of heartless consumer relationships gone bad like purchasing new cars, 2 year cell phone contracts that are f'd up only by the cell company, small business agrements with huge companies..then lets talk about your sentiments on this
<1> rond, oh please, do you know how many times I've had to comfort my mom cause of some bull**** that a company was doing?
<1> Don't pretend to know my experiences.
<2> well comforting and being your mom are worlds apart pal
<1> And really experience is irrelevant here, because the law is the law.
<2> and having been through all of that multiple times is even further apart from the reality of a 16 year old who pretty much plays games and laughs with friends
<2> I am all for big business, have defended them many many times on here, but I am all for spanking legally them too when they do not do the right thing
<2> on there own because they are very prone to do that
<1> If only legality was about doing the right thing.
<2> P_O by saying legally I mean as opposed to doing it some other way than potentially violating the rights of others
<1> In that case I agree.
<2> legally means by using the court systems as the shortes path between point A and B
<1> But in terms of using the courts to do something they shouldn't be able to do
<1> I do not.
<2> Companies use the legal system all the time to make other companies bend to their own desires why should'nt s citizen be able to
<2> ?
<1> Someone else doing it doesn't make it right.
<2> One of my huge awakening in my business life was becoming an Ex dir of a PPO and being part of weekly meetings on law suits against us
<2> I was shocked at first and scared
<2> then I learned hey its just a part of the world of contractual agreements
<1> Breach of contract lawsuits are fine.
<2> and implied agreements
<1> There was no contract between Target and this guy.
<2> and implied agreements
<1> How much do you want to bet that Target's inaccessible site has an agreement that says they have no implied agreements?
<2> We also had patient law suits all over the place both founded and unfounded
<2> We had law suits outstanding against other companies
<2> They were just a part of the weekly work flow
<1> Again, saying it's part of the norm doesn't make it right.
<1> It's not hard to convince me that it is part of the norm either, cause I know it is.
<2> Most of what happens is negotiations between lawyears in these things
<1> Most lawsuits with a company involved probably end in settlement.
<2> very little is really handled "by the courts"
<2> It doesn't matter what the site says
<0> po likes the picard song
<1> Herzen, haven't lsitened to it yet.
<1> Blackalicious first, Picard song later
<1> ;x
<2> Right has nothing to do with it either
<1> rond, I'm arguing that it's wrong
<2> Lawyers, the law and the courts are just a tool
<1> if you wish to argue against something else, then you're not arguing against me :P
<2> They are a means to an end in these kind of things
<1> Everything is a tool, that doesn't mean you should use it such for any given purpose.
<1> I'm talking about ethics not about possibility.
<2> Well somesay we should not use skis to slide down mountains either
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<7> hows the new camera
<1> rond, good for them.
<6> nah i haven't got it yet
<2> ELF !!!!
<6> gotta wait til taxes get back=P thats my "Christmas" heheheh
<6> Taxmas
<7> 426 let me know whne ya get it, where ya gettin it from
<2> lol
<7> lol
<7> hahah taxes i dont have taxes hehehe
<7> well no property taxes
<6> from Circuit City
<7> cool
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<7> 426 i did yesterday
<6> the black dude with the haircut?
<7> ok hang on
<1> I'm not getting what's funny.
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