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<0> A working guy today wont be able to buy a house.. Not unless the cost of construction goes way up and wages go way up to where home contractors would charge about $100.00 an hour for all labor.
<0> And pay at least $40 an hour.
<1> Freetrade: we are in the middle of a century long war against socialism.. we continually lose key tactical battles.. and I am afraid, we'll eventually lose the war.
<2> How the USA submits innocent victims to torture - http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050214fa_fact6
<0> Right now a good carpenter could get $40 easy but there are not that many of us with that degree of skill and knowlege.
<3> luckily people dont need to dream of having their own house anymore
<3> they can live in the slums
<0> There are a lot of $20 and under workers.
<1> foam: indeed.. how DARE they make them listen to satanic rock music! shere torture
<3> if they were worth being able to afford a house, they'd be paid that much
<2> td-, the working poor are overpaid, they should only be paid enough to live in cardboard boxes
<0> I dont know, I started trying to analyze the demographics and the trends for future wealth in a globalized society.
<3> hardworking people should be happy with slums
<2> td-, paying the working poor is how communism starts!
<3> its their value
<0> td, Nope.
<2> td-, Corporations should round up the homeless and work to them to death in sweatshops!!!
<3> well you just said most can afford homes because they dont get paid enough
<3> cant
<4> foaml rots of sarcasm.
<0> The idea that all people have to work up to be engineers though is wrong, some people will remain in the service industries in the lower paying jobs.
<0> And yet many will be highly skilled.
<0> I see a collision somewhere.
<0> Whether its consumer prices, or what....
<3> yeah I do also.
<3> Free Market Economy.. for the win!
<1> Freetrade: Did you see this new bill by democratic represenatives, designed to all-but-eliminate all 3rd party canidates from any funding? Heh.. I think they're very concerned they maybe seriously threatened by 3rd parties :-)
<0> I may have to change some life long beliefs, Its not really the beliefs which are changing its the reality of the world.
<0> Adapt, I ching, Improvise.
<0> hehe
<0> From the movie, with that taxi driver and the hit man.
<0> But I am being serious except when I am joking.
<3> well lets pay people what they are worth, someone who builds homes.. thats just not an important job
<3> 10 an hour?
<0> Wage disparity is a real problem and as it grows we will have to deal with it, hopefully the free market will deal with it in a way thats good for the whole market.
<0> Thats my hope.
<2> td-, the very problem is we send our children to school which is anticapitalist. a pro-capitalist solution would be to force our children to work in sweatshops to compete with sweatshops overseas; by sending them to school we are interfering with the free market
<3> I agree totally
<0> We can not afford a stratified society with $10 an hour workers on the bottom and $100 an hour workers on the top as a norm
<5> school is not to teach kids anything.
<2> td-, working our children to death in sweatshops is the only way to save capitalism!
<3> we need a new slave cl***
<4> Collateral?
<2> td-, exactly, capitalism necessitates it!
<6> td: can i quote you on that some day?
<1> people should be paid exactly what they and their employer agree to. nothing more, nothing less.
<5> school's main purpose is to justify the m***ive infustrcture surounding it so lots of pencil pushers cna afford pencils
<7> $100 at the top? Pfft. That's cheap. Try $10,000 at the top.
<3> its advantageous that the public school system in the u.s is not working out for a lot of people, new slave cl*** on the way!
<0> td, we cant have that, I think we are going to have some wage price inflation. I just hope its not too bad...
<2> td-, new slave cl*** on the way! GO capitalism!
<8> To the Freedom Camp!!!
<3> Woohoo!
<9> hahah
<0> TD, America is ok as a stratified economic society but not when there are two cl***es, $10 an hour and under and $100 and over and very little in the middle.
<9> Cheney's Fowl Shot
<9> :-P
<2> td-, If workers vote for a union, management should shoot all of them, stack their bodies in a big pile, set them on fire and utilize slave labor from overseas
<4> commies are worse than even fascists.
<0> I am still meditating on a solution.
<3> I totally agree
<7> Raising the minimum wage does not cost jobs, it grows them. People on the bottom spend all they earn (they are spending out of need). More for them to spend means more commerse and in increasing ecconomy: more jobs and more wealth for everyone.
<3> BLuejeans: thats a load of ****
<1> l0c0: hey, what do you call Cheney's shooting a Lawyer? "A good start to tort reform!" :-)
<3> minimum wage is bad anywhere you look at it
<0> The problem is demographics and the global economy is changing the world and we can not hide from it, we must adapt to it in a way hopefully which gives all americans opportunities.
<3> evil socialism
<7> td-, you articulate your arguments very well. Nice use of language.
<0> Minimum wage is irrelevant.
<1> BJ: nice theory, have any actual evidence?
<3> pay people what they are worth
<2> td-, If a worker asks for healthcare the corporate manager should shoot said worker dead on the spot! We cannot tolerate communism!
<0> UNless minimum wage is up over $10 an hour its meaningless
<1> FT: by and a large those who stay at minimum wage.. *deserve* less!!!
<1> very very few people make MW for any significant period of time
<3> foam1: totally brother.. preach on!
<7> Lupine, look at the times when minimum wage was raised. The ecconomy grew.
<0> Because almost nobody works for less than $10 an hour except in rare and peculiar situations.
<10> min wage is nothing but gov being intrusive
<2> td-, Why do the retired think they are entitled to pensions? It is a great thing that corporations are cancelling the pensions of retirees to further enrich the wealthiest shareholders
<4> I don't see td- say anything....I must have been wise in the past and /ignored his ***.
<1> BJ: I do not accept that statement, if for no other reason, its too simplistic
<11> FreeTrade, go to Florida, most people work for under $10/hr
<0> Lupine, IM not worried about today
<0> Im am worried about 10 years from now.
<3> foam1: here here brother.. Those old people can just switch to cat food
<3> they arent entitled to much else
<10> there shouldnt be any min wage at all because itsnot the govs call to intervine in a contract between employee and employer
<2> td-, It is important we move all of our manufacturing capacity to China so when oil becomes too expensive for international shipping the common scum in America will starve
<3> I love it
<0> Well in California and especially the SF bay area noone works for under $10 an hour not even an illegal.
<12> BlueJeans: get back to work, the fry cookers beeping!
<11> FreeTrade, right, but California is only a small part of the country
<0> Unless its an illegal babysitting someones kids who gets to live in their home and eat their food.
<3> Ding fries are done!
<8> Median income for 4 person families in florida: $58,605/yr
<0> OR a waitress who makes $50 an hour in tips
<8> Not average... median
<11> MikeyD, but corporations abuse people, and because we are under the weight of a lot of very large corporations, a lot of people would get screwed into a very very low salary, which would greatly increase crime and violence
<0> Sonofspam thats not that bad really.
<2> td-, When an employee at my company threatened to report our illegal toxic dumping to the EPA I did what any good Capitalist would do, I hired a hitman to kill the woman
<11> people who get paid $3/hour are very likely to rob and kill
<3> sweet, thats what I like to see
<10> if they abuse you dont work for that company that you think is abusing you
<0> Once you get below that though the further below it.. It gets rough..
<8> Median income of Florida generally: $38,972/year
<11> MikeyD, you don't necessarily have a choice if you are poor
<2> MrPrimate, good, jails are the heart of capitalism
<4> gosh, foaml is a pos.
<11> MikeyD, the poor have to often take what they get
<10> the simple fact is that companies cant exist without employees. if companies are abusive to you, you can walk
<11> foaml, we can't afford to jail everyone
<2> MrPrimate, we need a large prison labor cl***
<4> he's polluting my screen.
<10> dude, if youre poor you made yourself poor
<2> MrPrimate, sure we can, just tax the poor more!
<0> The only way home prices will come down is when enough old people die to produce a surplus market and then its likely to hurt the rural areas as people will move close to jobs in the urban center.
<8> 19 bucks an hour if you consider 51 work weeks, 40 hours per week.
<3> foam1 knows how the free market system works
<9> Lupine: LOL!
<11> MikeyD, that's not a fact, people who don't have money can't walk away from a ****ty job -- did you ever see the Grapes of Wrath ?
<3> business should not be impeded with government regulations
<9> holyc rap
<9> taht was funny
<10> you either made poor decision, have a poor education, or poor insight as to market needs
<3> yes
<11> MikeyD, you're an iddiot, people did not make themselves poor,
<10> either way, poor choices make people poor
<11> MikeyD, some people are born stupid and are often cursed to be poor
<0> Every 5 years from now if we stop, Look around.. See Whats going down (OK some poetic license) but seriously we have to reanalyze where we are.
<10> no, im exactly correct
<3> if you are making 3 bucks cooking fries, you went wrong somewhere
<0> in 10 years 2 retire for every new kid looking for a job
<2> MrPrimate, the poor love poverty, anyone can choose to be a billionaire after all!
<0> That statistic should be a red light on every congress persons desk in america
<11> MikeyD, you think you're right.
<0> Every legislature, state and federal and municipal.
<10> no, history pretty much proves me right
<2> MrPrimate, all you have to do is tap your heels thrice and wish you were in Kansas!
<0> But today noone is really screaming about it other than me.
<11> MikeyD, not everyone is born with opportunity or intelligence
<0> And some others.
<8> If you are making minimum wage cooking fries you are more likely to be just starting off in the job market, working part time for extra cash while going to school, or working there temporarily between other higher paying jobs.
<11> MikeyD, you are putting everyone into your situation, but you are probably a more privileged person than a lot of others
<10> now, there are exceptions to mentally retarded people, handicapped people and people who have choice taken from them by ailment or injury
<10> however
<0> Factor Demographics into the future economics.
<8> It's rare for that kind of job to be a long term 'career'
<0> THink about it
<0> I can tell you the formulas if you want something to work with.
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