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<0> rond I am not being absurd I am trying to get you to see the hypocrisy of criminalizing one form of drug use which makes people happy.. while pushing another whole form of drug use on the other side... and by that I am talking the doctor prescribed.. valiums and paxals and vicodins etc... and giving drugs to fidgety kids in school.. because Mom and Dad dont want to parent
<1> looking the other way to poppy fields=reduced costs to US to build afghans economy
<2> well if you can read I never spoke about that kind of drug
<3> Linus-: heck, they can even make some profit of it ;)
<1> afghanistan has no natural resources to speak of; it really is an economically destitute country
<1> jv, most likely :)
<0> rond I know you mentioned something entirely different which had nothing to do with the point I was trying to make
<2> it addressed your point specifically
<1> why haven't they built textile factories in afghanistan? ;)
<4> anyone know anyone who works in the SSA ?
<5> if they can grow poppies, they should be able to grow food or something else
<1> CuLtOfOne, rond exists to twist your words
<3> compdoc: but that's not as profitable for the farmers
<1> compdoc, poppies grow in rocky soil
<6> id love banks too lupine
<1> unsuitable for food crops
<6> if they would stop ****ing up my account
<1> its a weed basically
<1> wildflower actually
<4> blah
<4> HELLO ?
<7> you can grow crops in rocky soil
<7> :P
<8> compdoc, poppies bring more money
<7> just need the proper nutrients
<1> what types of food crops would be economically viable for them to exp[ort, given their horrid infrastructure and lack of distribution pts?
<7> you can grow crops in nothing but rock as a matter of fact
<1> bmc, yes! and i see all the central CA agricorps rushing to do just that!
<4> In Shurikkhan Afghanistan it was a beautiful place till Genghis Khan got ahold of it.
<9> bmc grows fungus in his armpits and toes
<1> ew
<9> "100% natural cheese!"
<2> I hear this argument about poppies being more profitable all the time....but I just never see much wealth being shown in these areas where poppies are the main crop
<0> yeah Afghanistan really needs to change its economy.. crops etc...
<7> well central CA agricorps dont have too
<2> thinking of the american heartland making that comment
<0> ohh yeah and they need to change their government......
<7> farms in mountainous terrain do
<0> and their belief system
<0> and a few other things
<9> rond: oil is very profitable as well.. but look at the average person in oil nations
<1> bmc, don't you think the cost per unit to grow in rocks would price the goods out of the world market?
<1> its not like you can have machines plant and harvest in neat rows
<7> if the plants get adequate nutrients the medium should be irrelevant
<4> There is Oil in Afghanistan but you have to break a couple of Drills to prove it.
<2> Lupine yep
<8> If growing sweet potatoes brought in a higher price, they'd grow that. :)
<0> Lupine yeah the oil is usually state controlled and I dont know how much of it gets pumped back into creating legitimate manufacturing jobs....
<2> Katye the cros are not the problem
<2> crops
<9> mmmMMmmmm sweet potatoes
<9> yams.. sugar spuds..
<2> in those environments I don't think it really matters what is grown
<9> my parrot goes bonkers over sweet potatoes
<1> the profit of poppy production is centralized to the regional druglords
<8> I think they grow what they grow because it brings a higher price than growing something else
<1> the "profit" to the avg grower is living longer
<10> Lupine is a mighty pirate
<1> they grow poppies caused armed men insist upon it
<1> because
<0> Linus yeah I can believe that
<8> Linus-, they must also get paid though.
<2> I think they grow that because the rest of the infrastructure is ****ed up
<8> rond, well of course.
<0> like farmers in Colombia grow coca for the same reasons
<1> yes, and they get to not see their family members systematically tortured and killed
<8> rond, but that's not something that's going to go away anytime soon.
<2> there is no grain storage, no ability to purchase farm implements
<1> that's a side benefit!
<2> no transportation systems to get product to market
<11> they grow the drugs cause thats what they get paid the most for
<1> rond, i said that
<12> rond, lets joint venture to open up a john deer franchise in Afghanistan
<1> if you didn't have me perm ignored
<7> the ground you grow the crops in isnt really important, it can do nothing but hold the plants in place, if youre providing it proper nutrition, it should be healthy, you dont have to rely on the ground youre planting in to provide that for the plants
<2> no banking system to help through the lean years
<7> that was my point
<7> now that it took me 10 mins to articulate it
<9> bud: we have a pirate costume that he wore on holloween. it's got a little parrot that sits on his shoulder.. bwahahaa
<2> no private property type of system to protect the acres of land you will need to hold onto for years
<9> bmc: um.. soil makes a huge difference for many crops
<7> nonsense
<7> you dont have to use soil at all
<7> the soil provided nutrition
<7> nutrition you can supplement
<1> bmc, flat roiws of crops grown in top soil and sprayed with pesticides are cheaper to grow than motley crops gerown in uneven, rocky patches
<9> i wish more places had the soil-type of Vidalia Georgia
<7> hydroponics etc,etc
<9> bmc: yea, and for many crops, it'll result in a different tasting crop
<9> wine is probably the best example
<7> you can grow in straight gravel out of your driveway, just mix in some peat moss
<1> hydroponically grown crops are exhorbitantly expensive
<7> to help hold moisture
<7> feed them nutrients
<0> you can grow certain things just about anywhere.. soybeans for instance.....
<9> cult: yea, and others.. it only grows in one place in the world
<1> you are just being oblivious to economic realities
<12> Worldwide, 1 million light bulbs will burn out today.
<1> that seems low
<7> if they have a choice between growing nothing, and growing something in rocky soil
<7> its fairly obvious choice
<5> Herzen, thats horrible
<9> herzen: students in a cl*** where their teacher goes on a leftoid rant?
<1> they don't really have a choice
<8> http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050124/parenti
<8> Income from poppy and its ***ociated processing and trafficking are said to contribute $2.8 billion annually to the Afghan economy, a sum equal to 60 percent of the country's legitimate GDP. About a quarter of this money ends up in the hands of common farmers; the rest goes to traffickers.
<5> I use fluorescent bulbs
<1> threats of violence, lack of distribution infrastructure, and bottom line rules
<1> afghani farmers would be poor growing poppies or food crops
<7> you can grow killer crops out of rockwool, heh
<7> explain that
<1> they're safer growing poppies
<0> in Egypt they are having an issue with over irrigation... the sugar cane farmers are pumping in so much water its flooding the old underground burial places of the Pharohs... so we are in there trying to convince them to shift to different crops which make them more money and use a third of the water... even that is tough going tho...
<0> people dont like to change.. especially third world farmers
<13> ehhh........ hydroponics start up costs can be exhorbidantly expensive with start up costs, but in the long run its more efficient
<1> sugar cane is grown in egypt?
<14> hell the afghan farmers make a bigger percentage from the sale of drugs than american farmers make from a loaf of bread
<1> wtf???
<0> Linus yup
<1> that's so water intensive
<7> well they wouldnt have to use hydroponics
<1> good lord they're backwards people
<0> yep.. makes no sense whatsoever
<7> im just saying if they properly prepare the medium for planting, its composition wont much matter
<13> heh, the Nile inundates once or twice a year
<0> Linus right on the banks of the Nile
<7> rocky, sandy, muddy
<1> hard to fathom they once were one of the cradles of modern civilization!
<7> wont matter
<12> I want a one way ticket down to tenessee, i'm leaving immediately
<12> Chatanooga here I come
<12> do do do
<15> american farmers don't grow bread, whereas afghan farmers do grow drugs
<1> sugar is best grown in year round semi-tropical humid environments with high avg annual rainfall
<7> tennessee?
<0> there are so many GM types of crops out there that afghan farmers could make money off of.... this is all a political drug lord thing with the Poppies
<8> The Nile still inundates in Egypt? I thought the Aswan Dam ended that
<4> Herzen : why do you want to go to TN ?
<1> he wants to renew the commune began by stephen
<1> CuLtOfOne, it is druglord factor mostly, but
<7> tn is too far south and too country
<1> the fact remains they have no eeficient way to get the crops to a world market
<1> poppy spoilage isn't an issue
<0> Linus right... but the Egyptians have built a series of canals and an irrigation system that lets folks grow sugar cain right near the pyramids... and its destroying the pyramids.. flooding the lower areas.. eroding the bases and chamber underneath
<1> fruiit and vegetable spoilage is
<5> I have poppies growing in the front - pretty amazing flower
<5> snow doesnt kill em
<1> CuLtOfOne, of course it is, they base is sand, not igneous!
<1> they/the
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