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<0> he followed it very well
<0> hahahaha
<1> Wow, for being such a 'stupid monkey', Bush really is good at manipulating the press and politics to make it look like he doesn't have unlimited power
<2> bmc: no, he HAD been applying to FISA. Until FISA broke the law, Bush appealed. Bush won on appeal.
<0> Herzen speaking of stupid monkeys.....
<0> o man....
<3> Herzen... it's the vast right-wing conspiracy.
<4> yeah Herzen heh
<3> :P
<5> ANYTHING done publicly is done to influence the PUBLIC'S opinion
<6> Lupine their ruling was on an entirely different subject
<7> The Shrub is a master minimalist.
<5> you DO NOT do private, illegal matters, publicly
<0> **** this - i gotta go back and finish that psychology degree before i come back here
<2> bmc: not ONLY did Bush win on the technical merits of the case.. but the court ALSO ruled the President has "inherent power"
<6> its not even relevant
<0> vize - to a certain extent yes
<8> my dad gave me $2500 for my birthday
<4> Some liberals say Bush is a moron, then come up with a conspiracy theorist based around him being a manipulating genius.
<2> We take for granted that the President does have that authority
<9> Exdeath bush a genius? bwhaha
<3> no no no... remember Rove is the genius and Bush is the puppet.
<10> Glock let me concoct one for you. I agree the President has the right to decl***ify any and all information. The question is when he does that how is it disseminated. At a press conference? In a press release? Over lunch with Judy Miller? :)
<6> the supreme court has ruled numerous times on that specific issues, domestic wiretaps without a warrant
<6> under FISA or otherwise
<5> since we're fighting terror, does that or does it not give us the authority to invade ANY country we see as harboring terrorists
<6> lower courts have held FISA is constitutional
<3> And the republican party is all those rich people controlling the world disguised as poverty-stricken white trash operating the global economy from their trailers.
<7> This is the only time in USA history the VP of the US has had so much power and control over govt.
<5> instead of formally declaring war on a country, we authorize force on a feeling so as to fight any country we please
<5> stanley, so true.
<9> vize only if they have oil
<5> true
<10> the answer is "c"! LOL
<7> vize..you should get a list of evil nations and keep it handy
<6> an appeal ruling on an entirely different matter is no legal precedent
<6> thats hilarious
<2> bmc: yes/no. the USSC allowed to stand this ruling, that the president can eavesdrop on communication originating from the US, going outside the US to suspected angents of a forieng power and/or threat to national security.
<3> TomM--... The executive branch is pretty much the end-all be-all of cl***ified information dealing with national security... if Bush wanted to release all the data we have on China... he could.
<3> Anyway or anyhow he wanted.
<2> bmc: right or wrong, an appeals court, or the USSC may make a ruling that was not directly asked of it.
<11> This would seem to be an interesting channel, considering how right-wing it is. So tell me, how many of you are abandon your Furher now?
<7> vise..Cuba is evil but does not need invading at this time
<6> Lupine its not relevant to the case, so its not any kind of precedent
<2> bmc: the USSC was not asked to rule "for public use" to legally mean "for private use", but it did.
<10> Glock21 I dont disagree with that....but this Miller thing stinks of politics....
<5> yeah, stanley, we already did enough to cuba
<6> the ruling the ussc upheld was on the ruling of the appeal
<5> we **** over countries until it benefits us, and then we move onto the next
<3> TomM--... welcome to Washington D.C.
<5> been exhibited all throughout history.
<3> It all stinks of politics.
<2> bmc: it is absolutely relevent. They ruled that since the president has inherent power, the FISA law is irreleveent to the case.
<0> there's a JW here at the cofee shop
<0> i need to go mess with him
<2> BMC: you may not like it, but that is what it is.
<3> vize... us and every other country in the world.
<0> remind him that im here to counteract him
<7> A good quality evil meter is only $29.95 from the white house...plus postage
<6> they never ruled that
<2> bmc: given it was a "trump card", that stopped the democratic leadership in its tracks.. well.. THEY must know something YOU do not.
<12> Was the president authorized to see the documents? I mean after all take the Majestic fiels for example...
<5> it is no wonder chomsky using linguistics as a good example of how govt. lies to the people
<5> and the people don't seem to understand the effect of words
<6> show me such a court ruling, where the USSC states FISA is not applicable to domestic wiretaps
<1> lol
<7> Evil nations need invading..simple
<1> he dropped the Chomsky
<1> hahaha
<4> haha chomsky
<6> if the target is an 'agent of a foreign power' or otherwise
<5> you laugh at him because you refuse to open up your eyes
<3> vize... gov't lies to people because people are idiots and in democracy the idiots control who is in the gov't.
<13> chomsky is great
<0> hahha
<12> Majestic-12
<1> Chomsky is as intellectually dishonest as like Coulter
<2> pilgrim` what is interesting is, there was alot of discussion on whether or not the US generals should inform President Truman about the atomic bomb.
<5> how hard it would be for you to realize that your world as you know it is false
<0> hahaaaa
<10> vize geezus dont quote Chomsky here....LOL
<0> m na
<0> o man
<4> It's no wonder where you get your conspiratorial notions
<5> allegory of the cave applies here like no other
<0> the monekys here are aamzing
<3> Manufacturing Consent is a NECESSARY component of democracy... so many ****ing idiots vote that you HAVE to attempt to propagandize them to your side, otherwise the other side will.
<12> Lupine Leslie Groves reported directly ont eh Alamogordo test.... I knwo the fellwo who wrote upt he telegram
<2> bmc: I did not say it was not applicable to "domestic wiretaps", as the ruling is not that general. The ruling was limited in scope, to communication originating in the US, that was with a suspected agent of a foreign power.
<2> pil: sweet
<7> I wonder if there is someone in the USA govt reading this slop?
<12> Chomsky... I was unaware of this fellwo everyone debated till one day I heard a lecture on PBS radio. MY GAWD what crap!
<9> Glock21 that explains it
<3> Chomskey thinks manufacturing consent is some evil thing... he thinks individuals are generally smart enough to make up their own minds... but individuals are more often than not completely ignorant of important issues and are too disinterested to learn enough to make wise decisions.
<12> Lupine I have...shall we say.....connections
<11> Chomsky's views are a thousand times more informed than anyone here.
<1> Chomsky and the rest of the ZMag folks basically just appeal to the anti-American left
<1> Marxists, Socialists, Anarchists and other trash especially
<5> glock, so that means the minority in power have the right to decide for the people?
<5> i think not.
<12> Someone I am sure. After all he has tenure and we are mere uneducated rabbale
<5> how the **** does the minority know what's good for the majority
<3> They appeal to people who think democracy is a great idea without flaws.
<7> Maybe Americans should take a loyality test to sort them out?
<5> democracy doesn't even exist, anywhere
<10> Glock Ill repeat something I said the other night. When Clinton was under siege as a loyal Clintonista I defended him. My premise was "he couldnt have been that stupid", you might want to think about that...:)
<3> vize... thank ****ing god.
<12> I remember the UFO crowd. Chomsky's grip on reality seems fed by similar research
<5> yeah, rather have the minority deciding how the **** i feel
<5> sarcasm.
<12> I am dead serious
<3> Democracy is majority rules... and since the majority is ALWAYS idiots... democracy is idiots rule.
<0> you realize FiSa only applies to americans
<0> not foreigners in america
<0> right:
<0> ?
<11> His views on the media are spot on (well, Hermann's are).
<2> TomM: well, I was of the opinion, if the president is immune to criminal court [ until he is either impeached, or his term is up ], it should apply likewise to civil court.
<0> Glock21 - not too far off there
<7> less than 50% of americans vote
<12> TomM I have NEVER acused Bill of being dumb
<3> Democratic input in a government MUST be kept in check.
<5> you guys are effectively referring to yourselves as idiots
<11> The media is controlled by 6 gigantic corporations. To believe it reflects some sort of Left bias is retarded, unless you think Corporate America is Leftist.
<3> The US founders realized this.
<14> well. the USA is not a democracy . its a republic
<5> no wonder i can never get anything across lol
<12> a scoundrel yes, but not dumb
<0> hahahah Someone7!
<0> hahahahhahahaha
<10> pilgrim I sure did, when the facts came out!
<13> vize, you're clueless, always
<3> Everyone in the political arena should recognize this.
<1> Someone7, dang evil corporate right-wingers controlling the media!
<1> Someone7, Oh, don't forget about the jews!
<0> hahhahahhaaa
<2> Glock: right, the tyranny of the majority
<3> vize... the *majority* are idiots... not everybody.
<15> Someone7 watch the news, its leftist crap
<5> are we not the majority?
<0> so that's why the media continues to critizise bush to no end?
<5> so i guess we're the minority in govt. controlling everyone?
<9> corporations control america, not just the media
<3> Most people care more about football scores than foreign policy.
<0> and ignores the good stuff there is to say about him?
<3> And there is very little you can do about that.
<15> corp america sells what the m***es will buy
<7> I think 6 or 7 media companies control most of what americans see, read or hear.
<12> Tom I think Bill is skillful at one thign: manipulation in a town hall meet enviornment;; he is damn good at money rasiing
<9> the purpose of our life is to serve the economy
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