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<0> Timur, have good breakfast :)
<1> fact is, if we're going to use a word like "win" then there are only three outcomes, "win, lose & draw"
<2> laaala: hey, there's nothing saying you can't draw stupid conclusions from minimal facts
<3> australia gave money to saddam, so what?
<3> lol
<4> Where did you hear that timur.
<5> pmo_, here... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html
<6> what says that only 30% of Americans support "the system" (whatever that's a reference to)?
<4> Sadaam was loaned money by france and russia.
<7> laaala are you saying that 100% of the populace has to vote for it to be called a democracy?
<2> katey: nothing ... just laaala's stupid conclusions
<3> at least 50%
<8> sintient: I read it in widely reported news stories
<6> OcDoc, I'm just curious what he's refering to
<3> the very least
<7> how do you get that percentage
<4> Rumsfeld shook hands with sadaam in 1983.
<9> US-Male: Thats not true at all. We won in Japan, we won in South Korea, we won in Germany, we won in Italy, we won in the Philippines, etc etc. All those were absolute wins. We restored order, kept the new government protected, and keep such a strong order military after major combat had finished that the country in question was able to recover and start to prosper. Only then did we withdraw 90% of our troops
<4> Post them timur.
<2> Katey: although my own experience tells me that many citizens don't vote because they don't think it will make any difference
<4> http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
<6> laaala, are you refering to voter turn-out? Approval ratings? What?
<3> we need to install regime change in the u.s
<8> http://www.slate.com/?id=2071502
<4> There is my support.
<8> there's mine
<1> Red_Barch: no, you claimed we didn't "win" against Hitler until five years after he surrendered
<9> US-Male: Thats what I just said!
<7> even if 5% of the people voted, it still satisfies the definition of a democracu
<2> laaala's just being silly ... turning rhetoric back on the US to see how it fits
<7> democracy
<10> Didn't Scott Ritter get busted for trying to meet a 14 year old over the internet?
<4> Well there was continued fighting after hitler surrendered.
<8> what does the relationship between US & IRaq in the 80s have to do with Ritter's utter lack of credibility
<7> or really a federacy if you're a stickler
<5> sintient, Saddam and his friends had 4 months to move a small amount of stockpile, the answer is this, they sure as hell can't use it now.
<6> OcDoc, eh. probably just as many don't vote because it's inconvenient
<2> btw, I'm all in favor of "regime change" in the US
<1> Red_Barch: well, you;re incorrect
<6> maybe more
<9> US-Male: "We restored order, kept the new government protected, and keep such a strong order military after major combat had finished that the country in question was able to recover and start to prosper. Only then did we withdraw 90% of our troops"
<8> Wot: yeah, but that doesn't have any bearing on his credibility vis-a-vis the Iraq issue
<3> u.s.a is going to be punished for invading the middle east one day
<3> karma
<2> Katey: or they're quite satisfied with the way things are going
<4> Still one unexploded sheel from the 60's does not mean stockpile of WMDs.
<9> US-Male: Is that not correct in ALL of the aforementioned cases?
<8> laala: I think idiotic inaction as people like you advocate, which brought us 9/11 was punishment enough
<11> If Saddam offered me money, I'd take it.
<5> sintient, it doesn't take but a couple semi's to move the stuff. Oh, did I forget to mention the Al Qaeda guys caught with enough chemical weapons to kill 80000 at the Syrian/Jordanian border?
<1> Red_Barch: our victory against Hitler did NOT get delayed to five years past his surrender -- that is a totally arbitrary number anyway
<8> wait, I've already had this convo 18 thousand times
<3> what democratic entity taps the phones of everyone around the world?
<2> laaala: who's going to punish us? you? rofl
<3> u.s.a
<12> christ
<1> Red_Barch no, it;s generally incorect in all cases
<6> OcDoc, frankly, I'd like to see civics return to education
<3> nomazda, you will, ya self, few billion a week in iraq
<3> m***ive debt to china
<3> you are sinking your own ship
<3> Lol
<2> Timur: yeah
<0> TheTailor, "that a 155-millimeter artillery round containing sarin nerve agent had been found," only one.. you make me sad.. also the article was written in 2004, anymore since them ? still i refer to US / international expert.. no better reference then those.. if they say no.. i can't think differently
<2> Katey: my kids had civics
<6> OcDoc, I think it would be good to teach future adults that it's their responsibility to remain involved and to vote.
<5> sintient, one unexploded shell (when made makes no difference, it's a bianary shell) isn't made alone, it has to be made with others, DUH.
<1> the Allies "winning" in Europe was not delayed five years past Hitler's surrender -- we have discovered the core of your issue, whichis semantics
<9> US-Male: So the instant we get the Nazis to surrender, we pulled out, went home, war over, we won. And Germany just took care of all the remaining strongholds by themselves, kept the order themselves, and so on?
<11> Yeah I thought that shell was left over from Iran/Iraq war.
<1> Red_Barch: yes, when the enemy surrenders, you won.
<6> OcDoc, we get "government", but there's not enough propaganda in the curriculum about the obligations and responsibilities of a citizen, imo.
<3> u.s didnt beat the nazis, RUSSIA DID lol
<13> No the us had nothing to do with it
<7> katey- i fully agree that americans are poor at preparing children properly for the future, and a large part of that is involvement in the political process
<5> pmo_, as I just mentioned to sintient, they don't make those shells one at a time, TRY and use your brain here.
<13> nothin at all
<10> well, I think if you are trying to have *** with 14 year old girls, that has a LOT to do with your credibility of inspection for WMD
<2> Katey: well, what do you expect? it's a government run school
<9> US-Male: Thats the problem though, their leaders surrendered, but there were still pockets of heavy resistance
<8> WMD convos are lame if used in re: IRaq
<1> Red_Barch: hence, "VE Day"
<8> Wot: why, they are totally different and unrelated issues
<1> Red_Barch: "VE " means "Victory in Europe"
<11> Back in 60's My friend's parents were Germans in Nazi Germany. And they said that they thought Germany was winning the war-- until the day US soldiers marched into town.
<1> it means we won
<10> Shows he has no character
<8> ***ual pecadilloes have no necessary relation to weapons inspections
<4> Scott ridder said hey had 150 in that article I posted.
<1> Red_Barch: yeah there were and alwys will be pockets of resistance
<0> TheTailor, ever heard about iran / iraq war.. those were used at the time.. and almost everything has been destroyed since then.. either by plane strike koweit war and all, or UN pressure
<1> we still won
<8> right, but again, he's not really worth paying attention to
<5> pmo_, I'm shocked you didn't mention the mustard found, or doesn't that count?
<4> That they fired at a test range and then he speculated that 10 percent dud rates not unheard of.
<1> Red_Barch: Neo-Nazis exist in Germany even today (pockets of resistance)
<10> Saddam probably hooked him up with 14 year old girls in Iraq to keep his mounth shut
<0> TheTailor, what is sarin nerve agent ?
<5> pmo_, "almost" isn't good enough, obviously.
<2> pmo: yes
<5> pmo_, yes, a nerve agent
<10> that is why Ritter was so addicted to little girls after the weapons inspections
<2> cholingesterase inhibitor
<0> TheTailor, yes right 2 skudes left apart..
<8> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/05/04/writt04.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/05/04/ixnewstop.html
<2> -g
<2> cholinesterase
<2> similar to insecticides
<0> TheTailor, was mentioned on the 2004 CIA report..
<5> pmo_, how about missles that had longer range than allowed?
<0> TheTailor, :)))
<8> that's a lot more relevant than some random and unrelated issue
<11> When the right wing digs up the ad hominems -- that gives the message credibility.
<5> pmo_, how about nuke programs?
<0> TheTailor, you mean.. 20 kilometers more than they should ? :)
<0> TheTailor, nuke.. read CIA report.. nothing.. all stuk..
<2> pmo: if that's the distance to your home, why ... YES
<5> pmo_, how about longer than allowed?
<4> Improper storage made the mustard gas inneffective.
<0> TheTailor, oh yes i forgot, yes something.. written all over the report;.
<2> okay ... gotta project to work on ... see yuz
<0> TheTailor, saddam could have done, should have done, had the intention to, thought of..
<5> pmo_, oh? read this, it's from your favorite, the BBC --> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm
<11> CIA mind reading machine. Determined intentions of Saddam.
<13> pmo have you noticed any of the news reports coming out regarding the millions of Irqi documents just now being released ?
<5> pmo_, Saddam could stand down, he didn't.
<4> Still more people have died from ak47 fire then chemical or biological attacks.
<0> i would recommend second volume, easy to read and figure out... very good report about WMD investigations... You'll start with an overall perception there was WMD.. because at start of each chapters.. they say "saddam had the intention, he thought, he could have done", but if you go further, than nothing, most stuff were destroyed either during the war in koweit or by UN pressure... http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/
<11> Bush was attacking no matter what.
<6> ke6i, yeah. I agree.
<11> Same with Iran. Iran can't stop Bush from attacking, so tthey push ahead with nukes.
<5> ke6i, and I agree, attack nbefore being attacked.
<13> Bush was not going to war no matter what
<6> but what happens after such an attack?
<14> pmo...then why didn't Saddam show proof they were destroyed...you would think he would want to prevent Accord form being enforced
<6> more nation building?
<6> We've got our hands full with that already
<5> Katey-, in Irans case?
<6> yes
<14> there is no way we will ground invade Iran
<5> Katey-, I doubt we will help with the rebuilding of their nuke facilities.
<14> that would be a nightmare
<15> Katey .. who have we attacked or are we going to attack?
<4> It is pretty sick but the war on iraq is pervieved very badly.
<16> US 1st quarter GDP revised upwards to 6% 1st quarter (Amazing) and Trade deficit narrowed 5.6% Exports see huge boost' Talk about these and other issues!
<0> TheTailor, i am not an expert and if experts say no.. i cannot tell much more
<5> pmo_, experts don't say no.
<14> TheTailor...France and Russia probably will :)
<11> heh
<4> 15 freetrade bot grrr
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