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Comments:
<0> hahah
<1> no hemi
<1> it rose from 11% to 14%
<1> according to what was pasted
<2> "Texas, with 1.4 million illegals, ranks second to California, and it was the only traditional destination state to increase its proportion of illegal immigrants, from 11 percent in 1990 to 14 percent in 2002-04, the study shows."
<3> man can't read. give it up :P
<2> We're being invaded, and no one's doing a damn thing except the good ol' boy beer drinkers. Thanks America
<1> lol
<1> invaded
<0> Red?
<0> uhh
<0> 1.4 Million illegal mexicans, is not 14% of the Texas population
<1> Red_Barch, we benefitted quite a bit from a similar "invasion" about 100 years ago
<1> lots of doomsayers back then too
<2> maybe to you its not
<0> 14% of the texas population is 3,080,000
<0> holy christ man you are worse at Math than I am, i didn't think that was possible
<2> `426-Hemi: Argue with the US congress about it, as they took it as fact too
<0> dude
<1> sounds to me that the article is written in such a way that it's easy to get confused about the numbers
<2> you can have net minuses all you want, I'm tell you what everyone else knows
<4> I was in Lowes yesterday and asked a woman who worked there to help me find some items. She barely speak english. I just walked away shaking my head and said loud enough for her to hear..."If your gonna live in America learn english damnit"
<0> 1.4 MILLION Illegal Mexicans IS NOT 14% of the Texan population, MATH Doesn't LIE!
<1> perhaps the reporter is unclear on what the real numbers are
<4> she was mexican and this occured in Texas
<1> takes time to learn a new language
<2> Katey-: You honestly think a hundred different newspapers would all get the information wrong after how hyper sensitive everybody is about this issue? Is pew wrong? Is the US congress wrong? Are the newspapers wrong?
<1> since most Americans don't bother, I guess it's difficult to remember that.
<1> Red_Barch, I'm not saying that pew is wrong
<4> English is the only language I care about...being an american
<4> in America
<5> everybody is wrong!
<1> Red_Barch, I'm saying that the quote from the article indicates a problem in figuring out which is true: 14% of Texans are illegals?
<5> rond, american english i'm sure
<1> or is it 1.4 million Texans that are illegal
<3> http://www.crooksandliars.com/images/HC-KHarris.jpg Boy, she's ready to play the Wicked Witch of the West...
<2> Katey-: Correct, both
<1> Red_Barch, but 1.4 million isn't 14% of 22.5 million
<2> I know it doesnt add it, but I've heard this explained on c-span awhile back as well
<1> so which is it?
<0> rond, well, i must say, English is not a McLanguage, I am sure the vast majority of the people who moved to the USA and probably some of your own ancestors couldn't speak a freakin word of English
<1> 14% or 1.4 million?
<5> i wish americans would do the same when they come live here, learn chinese or get the hell out
<0> you don't learn english over night
<5> but no they just cling together in their little expat groups
<0> hahahahah syf!
<1> I'm frequently told that English is difficult to learn
<4> 426 if your going to work in a position in america in 2006 where you have to talk to customers
<4> YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TALK
<0> rond so you would rather have them on welfare?
<0> heh
<6> YEAH
<1> And it takes longer for adults to learn it than for kids. Kids learn it fast fast
<4> Its not rocket science
<7> basic english is easy, more complex sentence structures are difficult
<0> english is one of the hardest languages to leanr
<0> learn
<8> naw
<1> rond, the best way to learn is to put yourself in a position where you are having to talk to English speakers
<0> hell even some Americans don't know the freakin language and they were born and raised here
<3> phrases like "me love you long time." easy. "would you like your change sir?" not so easy.
<4> She could not understand my question of where are your floor "transitions" in the floor dept
<2> Lets not forget, in order to be a US citizen, you need to be able to read and write at a third grade level before you can p*** the test
<1> it's weird how offended people get about someone not being fluent in their language
<0> so ask someone else, no need to degrade people because they aren't from the USA
<1> I've heard the French get uppity in the same way
<0> thats just ****ed up
<4> Its not ****ed up to expect service
<3> Katey, I'm learning German, those verbs way at the end of the sentence, geez.
<3> wierd
<4> and being able to communicate is a part of service
<2> I tell you what to learn, Mandarin
<2> thatll come in handy later
<3> and Punjab?
<3> What they speak in India
<6> ya charasi
<9> US 1st quarter GDP revised upwards to 6% 1st quarter (Amazing) and Trade deficit narrowed 5.6% Exports see huge boost' Talk about these and other issues!
<1> I think foreign language instruction is improving in the US though
<5> punjabi isn't spoken in all of india
<6> they speak Hindi and multiple dialects
<1> I've noticed that a lot more of it is available at the elementary level
<6> Bengali, Urdu, Konkani, Tamil, etc
<2> Katey-: Have you tried Rosetta Stone? Its the best language tutor out there
<5> i find indians to speak more english in business than chinese do
<1> Red_Barch, I haven't
<3> hey there's an educational goal: have all kids learn and speak fluent punjabi, madarin, and Spanish!
<0> one of the best ways to learn english is by interacting with people, hell I give the person that waited on you credit rond for A. working to begin with, and B. at least TRYING to interact and learn the language through that interaction
<10> syf, the indian elite all speak english
<2> the US state department and CIA use it to teach recruits new languages
<1> My son's spanish cl*** went on a field trip to a mexican restaurant, where we all had to order in Spanish.
<5> exactly.. where as the chinese elite refuse to speak english
<3> rosetta stone, that's those tapes right?
<2> they have software now too
<2> http://www2.rosettastone.com/en/offer/googlepage?a=b
<3> yah with the music research I do, I really need to have my German up to snuff
<2> Their Mandarin program is awesome
<5> it's pretty useless to learn mandarin outside china imho
<2> you can learn Farsi too
<5> most people never get past basic level
<3> whoa, 200 bucks
<0> americans have way more important things to be worried about than someone speaking freakin english or not
<5> rosettastone, pimsleur, etc. all give a good basis but that's about it
<6> Katey: cool
<1> We went through all of this 100 years ago
<4> Americans should be pressing back to make sure people in america working speak english
<2> Hey, you're forgetting something though
<1> same people predicting the ruining of American culture
<1> etc
<6> rond: that, but also Americans should learn foreign languages too
<6> both are important, imo
<1> complaints about people refusing to learn English
<1> etc
<0> yes, lets instead just put them all on welfare until they learn english! thats the ticket!
<0> good god
<4> I do not have a single need for another language
<5> Timur, i reckon most people are afraid that bilingual people will get more benefits than the ones that aren't bilingual
<1> In the end, I think we have really benefited from it
<4> my daughter is learning spanish and has been but I do not have a single need
<1> rond, it's good excercise for the brain
<3> yah Katey
<0> well apparently you do
<3> they're smarter in a way
<0> if you couldn't communicate with the person that was trying to help you the other day+)
<5> because lets face it, who's going to hire someone in a store when he just speaks english when you might as well hire someone who speaks both english and spanish?
<4> Katey with over 300 books on IT and 60 books on History I give my brain plenty of exercise
<0> BINGO syf!
<2> Many city services are now contracted out to hispanics who cant speak any English. At the rate we're going, will we in the future call 9/11 to get a paramedic to show up who can't speak a lick of English, or a policeman pulls you over and cant communicate with you?
<4> what is the most books you have read on any one subject dear Katey ?
<1> rond, dunno. I've never counted them
<3> I agree with that Red, I think if they're offical city jobs, they should be required to be able to speak English.
<0> ohh good god Red_barch, thats idiotic hahaha to say the least
<5> lol
<1> I don't usually have discussions where I proclaim how many books on a given subject I've read
<2> not idiotic, plausible
<4> Ohh I see you missed the point never mind
<3> someone else here does that a lot though Katey :P
<1> rond, I suppose I did. :)
<4> you di
<4> did
<0> enough of that crap
<6> more knowledge, incl of other languages, is a good thing.
<1> Timur, yep.
<2> `426-Hemi: Every city does not hire the same type people for the same type jobs. Precedents will be set in the future
<4> the point is there are many ways to more knowledge
<4> many many
<0> Timur it's amazing when i sometimes go to other countries channels and get called an ignorant american
<0> heh
<6> and learning languages is one good form of such knowledge.
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