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<0> When there's no particular reason it had to start.
<0> ITs just always been.
<1> astrodog - conversly why insistent that it never started?
<0> emil: Because there's no way for it to start. You cannot create, or destroy matter.
<0> matter/energy
<2> this is not worth thinking about
<0> So the fact that matter and energy exist, proves that its always been this way.
<3> emil
<3> what are you persian?
<3> with a name like that
<3> jesus man
<4> the answer to the question 2 + 2 = 4, exists always .. can never be created or destroyed and is just logic. all matter can be thought of in this way too. the universe/existence itself can never be created or destroyed.. it is a logical actuality
<3> which is completely logical and fair to say that we do have souls
<3> and we do go somewhere
<3> :>
<4> and in effect, you are part of the grand logic of eternity as well
<1> 2+2 = 20 (base 10)
<4> that is what's so beautiful
<3> finally someone with some sense
<0> No...
<3> in this channel
<4> emil^: you are just distoring the question.. makes no difference and proves nothing :P
<0> 2+2 != 20, under base 10.
<1> we all see thing different ways
<0> Under base 10, 2+2=4
<0> 4+32 = 36.
<0> base 10 is decimal. What we normally use. ;)
<2> .999~ = 1
<1> i meant to say base 2 :)
<1> and i'm still wrong lol
<0> 2 doesn't exist in base 2. :P
<2> XD
<3> so Astrodog_
<3> you believe we evolved on this very planet
<1> well the point being we can see 1+1 =2...and we know that fact.........but 1+1 using a differetn system is very different
<4> emil^ well then so is the question
<3> soemthing aint right about the evolution of man and the theory behind it
<4> 1 + 1 (base 10.. the fact i have to say this at all shows ur stubborness :P) = 2
<3> i really dont think we could've evolved that fastly into such different races over the time we did
<3> :>
<1> ebbtepid - c'mon gimme a break - a typo
<3> Astrodog_ do you believe in UFOS
<0> snippy: We've had an infinite number of chances.
<3> emil^ are you persian?
<1> snippy - no i'm not - nor should that matter
<0> snippy: As in, flying objects that are unidentified, or aliens?
<3> emil^ relax... it doesn't matter, but i'm just wondering
<3> don't take it personally
<3> lol
<1> snippy the name is both hispanic, french, and eastern european as well as american
<3> Astrodog_ well, 'flying objects that are unidentified' must be controlled by someone
<3> so they go hand in hand
<3> but we'll keep it simple
<3> lol
<3> so lets go with #2
<3> aliens
<0> Aliens? Its statistically very likely they exist.
<3> emil^ cool man
<0> Its rather unlikely that we've seen any of them.
<3> didn't know that
<3> Astrodog_ yeah I hear that
<3> why is it unlikely?
<3> that part i don't hear
<3> I do think that MANY of the cases that were popularized were BS
<5> snippy was that part of some deliberate plot?
<3> and since you mentioned statistics and the almost definate possibility of them existing, it would be fair to ***ume that they definately visited us here at some point
<1> i am curious what people think of aliens as well
<3> xtor was what part of some deliberate point?
<3> me asking about emil's name?
<3> i was just wondering, i wasnt tryin to prove a point
<3> xtor is that why you were referring to?
<5> snippy the popularization of BS cases as opposed to carefully filtered cases which were not so easy to brand as BS
<0> snippy: Size of the universe, how fast things can travel, and the number of aliens there'd be.
<0> Its unlikely they've visited.
<1> well i agree with astrodog there
<3> but according to what you said, if they do in fact exist, and if they had a tremendous head start compared to us...
<3> it would be fair to ***ume that they have the means to travel EXTREMELY fast
<0> Since nothing can go faster than the speed of light, they still can't travel fast enough.
<3> faster than any one of us could imagine
<3> we don't know that though
<0> Yes we do.
<3> science is a field which is alwyas being revised
<1> einstein proved that time is not a constant
<0> It takes an infinte ammount of energy for something with any m*** to travel at the speed of light.
<5> Astrodog nothing can go faster than SPOL as long as its pushing against a gravity flux
<1> there are ways to maybe not travel faster than the speed of light - but circumvent that speed
<0> xtor: No. Gravity is uninvolved.
<0> It is impossible to accelerate something with m*** to the speed of light.
<3> just because we have come to believe in something based on what we "proved" to be true at a certain time doesn't mean its definitately true
<5> Astrodog not gravity per se but this ether thingy. The fabric of 3D space.
<1> hey i watch history channel too :)
<6> Any IRC oldtimers here remember EFnet channel encryption?
<5> #encryption hmmm never went there
<3> if a civilzation in our own galaxy exists somewhere and had a 20,000 year headstart
<5> #encryption unable to join channel (need correct key)
<6> No, ModeChar enabling encryption.
<5> Is that an MD5 key it has by chance?
<3> then it's more than possible... in fact, highly probable that they've found a means to travel fast
<1> i love the whole sci-fi thing - but it is impossible for something to start form nothing
<3> and maybe even faster than we could conceive
<0> snippy: Nothing can travel faster than light. It would violate the laws of physics. And that'd be bad.
<6> Is there an EFnet ModeChar enabling channel encryption?
<3> Astrodog_ but again, science is always being revised
<5> Well if they can poke a hole in the ether-flux then it would be easy to fly at least as fast as SPOL
<0> snippy: The laws of physics aren't.
<1> if you can bend a map of the globe - we're just a few miles from any location in hte world
<0> That's a seperate idea.
<3> it doesn't matter if its physics or geology
<0> snippy: Alright. Leap off a tall building. Prove Newton wrong!
<3> we still haven't explored everything related to physics
<3> that's the problem these days
<3> it seems like we've come to a point where we accept everything for what it is and don't question things as much as we used to
<0> Stupid physics, and its rules! Don't opress me, man!
<3> science has come a long way, especially physics
<0> pfft.
<3> but we have a long way to go my man
<3> :>
<1> if you like this sci-fi **** - read some greg bear - he's actually a theoritical physicists with a phd
<3> this aint sci-fi playa
<1> he's even wrote a few good sci-fi books such as eon
<3> this is real life ****!
<3> aint no fiction here
<3> :>
<3> but yeah, i'll check him out
<1> well he is a fiction writer - but most of his theories are based on fact (scientifically speaking)
<1> i should have said most of his stories are based on theoricial ****
<1> but it's interesting
<6> Holy moly, #hack has been up since 2001. Now that's what I call cya.
<3> its all good brosef
<3> coo man, i'll def check him out
<3> Samizdat
<3> you snippy ****
<3> where is your good friend DarthBurg
<3> lol
<0> Sami: This channel has been around since like 93.
<6> Went to bed, evidently.
<6> Without a crash, Astrodog_?
<1> but i'm tired trying to be all sceintific and ****......and playing devils advocate anyways..........new topic??
<3> nah man
<3> i'd love to be abducted
<3> for real
<3> lol
<0> Face it
<0> You just want an anal probe.
<3> who the **** doesn't?
<3> **** man
<6> Interesting: #politics' last crash was July 11, 2001, and #hack's was July 12, 2001.
<3> i guess you've never been blessed with the opportunity like i have to get it done Astrodog_
<3> :\
<3> hmmmm
<3> Conspiracy Theory?
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