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<0> i mean in the u.s.
<0> sorry
<1> slow connection
<2> I would say in any society it would be the same, or in any country.
<3> Look, I don't care who wants to **** whom. I just wish that Canada's supreme court would do something other than bring us closer to the Brave New World. It should consider defending some other liberties beside ***ual ones.
<0> freetrade: powers in Canada are clearly delineated...if a province did that the act would be 'ultra vires'
<2> Liberties are things which you are not prohibited from doing.
<3> Like, oh, I don't know, freedom of speech for instance.
<2> And not in any state can a gay couple not go to a church which accepts gay marraige and get a symbolic marraige.
<0> pickle: perhaps you think they are anti-liberty...i dont see how you view that though...they have expressed a lot of religious freedoms and speech freedoms (minus hate speech)
<2> Its just that in matters of law the state does not recognize it.
<2> Some argue hetero marraiges should not be recognized by the state.
<0> pickle: no country has absolutes on this. not liberal democracies at least
<3> Feesimple: I disagree that they've done either of those things.
<2> But I would say in defense of hetero recognition is the ability to track the fathers of children and make them responsible for thier biological offspring.
<0> pickle: well, hmmm...i guess we are at an imp***e then :)
<2> It could be a social disastor not to recognize hetero***ual marraiges because they produce many more children than the minute amount from gay families.
<3> Feesimple: Generally religious issues don't appear before the SCC, since Canada has no separation clause to worry about. As for freedom of speech, hate crimes are the only free speech issue that go before the SCC.
<3> Generally.
<0> pickle: there have been a few cases of religious impedement by the provinces
<4> the race of bigots countdown from america 2006
<4> i see alot contesters
<0> that the scc has overturned (for example...noise bylaws in B.c. with the krishnas)
<3> Feesimple: Not exactly an earth-shattering charter case.
<0> that was appealed to the SCC, their record of overturning limiting legislation is pretty good, 40%
<0> well...compared to the u.s. :)
<0> its a good record.
<3> Feesimple: On fundamental legislative issues, though, the SCC tends to defer to the legislature--especially if the legislature happens to be dominated by Liberals.
<3> Hate crimes and gun control being significant examples.
<4> u knowwhy that guys wife cryed because she thought her stove was on and her house was gonna blow up and she was gonna live like average american citzen
<4> mr delays
<0> well gun control is one of those property issues that most Canadians do not disagree with
<4> hans more wishful thinking
<5> lol
<0> we dont have protected gun rights from the con act of 1867
<4> please bush is a prime example
<4> >=) we need more posers
<0> so that is perfectly within the legislatures right to limit...and the scc just protected that right
<2> brb
<3> Feesimple: Well, that depends on which Canadians you're talking about. You don't see much popularity for gun control out here, even among the left-wing parties.
<0> and it is hard to argue that it is fundamental right to guns...or that it infringes on your liberty in such a way that you are necessarily controlled
<4> canadians should be shot dead
<4> dont control the guns
<0> well...i dont think registration is that big of a deal
<3> Feesimple: There is certainly no explicit constitutional right to guns, but one can argue that it's a property rights issue, which is a constitutional guarantee (though like all others, subject to legislative fiat).
<0> but Conservatives will scrap that...that is not enough of a defining issue for me to vote against them
<0> i agree in principle too much with their views
<3> Feesimple: And if the SCC were really dominated by libertarians, it would be considered just that.
<0> pickle: yes it can be argued as a property right issue
<6> What are the polls in Canada saying about the election?
<0> but unfortunately it was considered criminal by the SCC
<0> rockfish: conservatives are going to win...minority or majority
<3> Rockfish: Conservatives have a widening lead.
<6> They really have a shot at the majority? Good for Canada
<0> and now it is set precedent..gun control is federal due to it being a criminal matter (public safety)
<4> id find more of this debates more intersting if they had people from star wars arguing like in the filsm
<7> Pickle, http://www.ixsys.com/daveb/
<7> I gave my numbers analysis
<7> =)
<8> Will Stephen Harper be the next Prime Minister ?
<9> http://www.grc.com/sn/SN-022.htm
<0> yes tim
<0> but without a majority he will be limited
<8> nice
<0> should be interesting, anyways my crim cl*** is over..talk to you all tomorrow im going out :)
<0> cya
<3> Herzen: I agree with a lot of that, but I don't know about your NDP analysis :)
<7> Pickle, Eh polls are showing they do have less numbers this time around though
<7> Which is unfortunate
<7> I disagree with NDP policy
<10> itsc alled NPD
<10> called
<7> but they seem to field MPs of integrity
<7> for a pack of socialists
<3> Herzen: Ah, but it's always concentration that's the issue. I think that the Liberals are concentrated in Ontario, whereas in the west the leftwing vote is locked up by the NDP.
<7> The NDP candidate in my riding is great
<7> If I was stupider I would vote for him
<3> Herzen: Whereas the Conservative vote seems to be spread out across the country, including Quebec.
<1> there are some wackos in canada, no offense
<1> conspiracy theorist etc
<1> talking about israel controlling the usa
<7> there are whackos in the US
<7> no offense
<1> i saw a pic of some ****er in ontario i think
<7> http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/
<1> with an american flag where the stars were the jewish star
<7> There are some
<6> There are wackos everywhere, after Cindy Sheehan we can't talk
<3> Herzen: Check out Zombie's "typical day in San Francisco".
<7> Is it a new update?
<3> Yeah
<1> herzen, did you take offense to that?
<1> i told you not to
<7> thebarry, no but its true
<7> There are whackos everywhere
<7> Canada, USA
<1> yah
<1> but canada isnt well known for them
<1> like the usa
<7> zombietime is down for me
<7> does it work for anyone else?
<7> http://www.zombietime.com/.
<3> Paul Fromm is a famous racist loon.
<7> -.
<3> From Ontario.
<1> maybe there are no wackos in usa herzen
<6> Well the US has 290 million people and 2/3 of them have their own media outlet it seems, the wackos make news
<1> herzen, worst thing i can think of in canada is nambla
<7> ...
<3> Herzen: Works for me.
<7> isn't nambla american?
<7> Pickle, MTS is being pisspoor today
<7> splitty and ****ty
<2> Well the county just fubard a project for me, A construction project..
<11> the county?
<11> they decided it had too great an environmental impact?
<2> It wasnt a huge one so I dont really care, but the county gave 2 different opinions on the project which involved $1000.00 plus time in extra work, and I will have more details about their ineptitude on Monday.
<1> herzen dunno, but there are a lot of nambla ****ters in canada
<1> or so i hear
<1> you guys have an age of consent of like 14 or some ****
<2> The good news is someone wants me to build her a Whole house.. Which could be interesting, its on the other side of the bay and I dont usually like to work over there but I could make a lot of mone.
<2> money
<3> Herzen: Actually, it could be the website... It seems to be working spottily.
<11> the oakland side?
<2> These poor people the whole street and it is a 4 lane street with heavy commute traffic, all the rain pitches for 4 lanes into their driveway, which you can imagine the impact with the heavy rains we have had lately. I personally would require the county to fix it. Which maybe they will. But the engineers who designed this were incredibly stupid.
<2> Rcane, I live on the Oakland side.
<2> This would be the George Lucas, Barbara Boxer side ;)
<11> AH
<2> hehe
<11> the far left side
<2> hahaha
<11> as opposed to the not as far left as the other side of the bay side :)
<2> Actually its to the right as I look at the Golden Gate bride, but your point is noted ;) It actually might be a more conservative side though because its wealthy people for the most part.
<2> brb
<7> Pickle, I got it now
<1> herzen what's the war churchill roosting chicken thing about?
<1> ward
<2> back
<2> berkeley being a university town is leftwing. Marin is mixed. It clearly has its left wing constituents, but it also has More conservative folks. There are farms out there even.
<2> They would all be developed if the government would let it be ;) But they wont.
<2> Zoning issues can't be blamed on any side. Both parties use zoning for a lot of reasons, Some ecological, and in that category are a lot of different conflicting ecological views. For wealthy conservatives AND Liberals, they want to protect their gated communities from the rift raff and keep property values up.
<2> But all homeowners want to keep thier property values up basically.
<2> Only the insane do not.
<2> Actually depends on the state tax policy and how long they plan on staying ;)
<2> In California, I am paying the tax based on the value in 1994, plus a 1% rise per year
<2> Prop 11, If they ever repealed it I would be forced to immediately put my house on the market.
<2> Hey Timur!
<12> hi FT. whats prop 11 again?
<2> Property tax limitations amendment to the constitution.
<12> o
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