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<0> before science could define it
<1> rond: I will never take that back :)
<2> Null_Ptr, and neither do you.. which is my point
<0> so i must gosub 10
<0> bbl
<3> Null_Ptr, whats wrong with people trying to build their life around Christian teachings?
<4> [18:56] <+VemoD> rond: read it...and of course you are still capable <--- You seem a little confused
<5> herzen nothing, altho i hate to see people deliberately fool themselves if it limits their ability to see other foolery.
<3> So they're fooled, big deal
<3> I know of a lot of dumb**** athiests
<6> Just don't get too obssessed about that 'DaVinci code' book. Every stupid person I know is nuts for this thing.
<1> rond: context...and I'm not defending
<3> and frankly I'd rather ***ociate with a good christian, then some drug-****ing promiscious scumbag athiests
<5> who has mentioned davinci code so far
<5> nobody
<6> I mentioned DaVinci code book just now.
<6> So you are WRONG!
<5> ahem
<4> VermoD I am well within your context
<4> your just skirting everything because you realize the logic of your comment being so stupid cannot really be defended
<5> herzen as would i, as long as they're open minded
<1> rond: Then...read the book, or don't read the book. It doesn't matter to me...you get it yet?
<6> You can't argue religion.
<3> Null_Ptr, Perhaps you should work on your own open-mindedness before you criticize the Christians
<4> But your comment is a common christian bashing comment. Read the book, try to follow some of its principles....OHHHH Knowzzz you cannot think for yourself anymore
<1> ke: but you CAN argue a book
<7> hi ,i am using PDA to access irc through WLAN
<5> Ife not true, i have loads of historical scholarly evidence to show none were written before 180AD. Here's one just to get you started, but they go on for days. http://www.religion-online.org/showchapter.asp?title=1116&C=1229
<8> Thanks for the +v
<7> feel so good
<6> Yeah I guess you can. These things always go round and round though.
<1> rond: I didn't mean it that way at all...but I don't feel like scrolling up and **** like that ;)
<6> Basically the stronger the feelings people have about something, the less chance of having a discussion about it.
<4> Don't worry VemoD I read and I scrolled I know exactly what you said
<6> So with religion, usually no communications take place between humans.
<5> Herzen what specifically do you think i'm criticizing about christians? when i used the words "open-minded" i meant mainly, i like having a pleasant dinner conversation with anyone, but i don't like them to see things in such only one world view that they think anyone not just like them is wrong and damned to hell -- that not only isn't helpful to anything but isn't pleasant to be around.
<1> rond: So be it....so it is written...so it is done
<1> heh? ^_-
<6> Imo, if you dig into any religion, it just comes across as psychotic and insane. In polite company best to just ignore this, imo.
<2> Null_Ptr, heh I know the arguement and "evidence" on both sides can go on for days.... remember I studied this stuff years back... and so yea its years back in book format so I don't have and websites that I used to learn from, nor do I have any books readily handy, as this study I did was a few years back and I have moved and moved on to other eareas of study since then
<5> how convenient
<5> ok well i guess that proves it then
<2> I didn't even have a computer not net access during those times eather...
<2> ****ed
<9> (1:1-17) "The generation of Jesus Christ
<9> The gospel of Matthew begins with a boring genealogy like that we are told to avoid in 1 Tim.1:4 ("Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies") and Tit.3:9 ("Avoid foolish questions and genealogies").
<0> starvin marvins are good after a long trip...hit the spot and fuel up
<0> k out fo real everyone
<0> nite
<3> Null_Ptr, so basically you're whining about Chrisitans reacting badly when you challenge their entire belief structure? Are you slow or something, son?
<2> Null_Ptr, well want me to lie to ya and do a quick google on the subject and hope that whatever comes up is accurate?
<7> book,
<1> <6> Basically the stronger the feelings people have about something, the less chance of having a discussion about it.
<5> ife no i'll p*** on that
<1> I agree there
<2> lol
<9> Like how the new testament suggest to not give heed to fables and genealogies and starts with a genealogy?
<5> herzen we could start with people trying to convert me to their particular demonination / religion / cult... that i find is rude. :)
<3> Null_Ptr, Don't have dinner with these people
<3> lol
<5> herzen if by not converting and defending why it wouldn't be helpful / reasonable, i am challenging their belief structure, then sure.
<6> I had this aunt, always talking about Buddha.
<9> (1:6-16)
<9> There are 28 generations listed from David to Jesus in Matthew's genealogy, while Luke's (3:23-31) has 43. Except for David at one end and Jesus at the other, there are only three names in the two lists that are the same.
<9> So wich genealogy do you guys believe from the new testament?
<8> Thanks for the +v
<3> It amazes me that people miss the message of the bible in their rush to criticize it
<9> Why not teach ethics based on modern values, books and people, not on contradictory 2000 year old books?
<5> the people i'm talking about tend to think the "message of the bible" is you should beat up fags, etc. so i may be ascribing some of the stupidity of the followers to their guidebook.
<3> sintient1, whats a 'modern' value?
<3> sintient1, 'modern values' are pretty ****ed up and backwards, in my experience with them.
<9> Values of people alive today.
<5> an example of a modern value is that men & women get an equal vote in representative government.
<3> An example of a modern value is that abortion on demand is okay.
<9> I think that following a book filled with contradictions and calls for stonings and casting out and making all sorts of things punishble by death is worse.
<3> An example of a modern value is that homo***uality and homo***ual marriage is normal.
<6> What's the deal with *********ion. I always thought that was the weird one.
<9> Like the greeks weren't into homo***uality?
<5> or greeks didn't ever have an abortion?
<5> puhlease
<9> That is more ancient than the bible.
<3> sintient1, It certainly was not embraced in their culture for the most part.
<2> but the equality is what chriastianity is about... though some like to keep things in the caeman days so to speak and ignore parts of the bible about treatig yer wife as yourself an that shes your equal and stuff along those lines
<9> SO just did it and pretended not to, so that is better, than being open and fair?
<5> homo***uality and abortion have a history practically as long as mankind
<5> the only thing modern about it is documenting it
<3> Null_Ptr, So does Murder, Rape, War, that doesn't mean they are things we need to aspire to.
<6> Is anti-*********ion? Is that old or new testament or both?
<1> <-- homo
<9> You talk about two of the most controversial issues, both of wich are to judged by god not by you right?
<4> [19:10] <+Herzen> An example of a modern value is that abortion on demand is okay. <---- I think that is an old value, IE certain barbaric areas of the world have been ok with this for a long time
<1> Night all
<9> Isn't the mortal sin thing saying that god will keep you out of heaven?
<3> rond, thats true, but in our society its 'modern' and 'okay'
<3> rond, which is a joke, Abortion is barbarism, plain and simple.
<9> Why do you need to bother with it if you believe that eternal damnation is their reward?
<6> Mortal sin -- that sounds sort of catholic-ish?
<3> rond, its to bad that we can't continue to be above that kind of activity
<4> exactly my point
<10> hmm... i'm thinking this "Choose the News" thing is going the way of the Dodo
<5> what's wrong with homo***uality again? what's your beef with it?
<10> hopefully soon
<9> Isn't god the one and only judge?
<9> Why are you trying to do his work?
<3> sintient1, eh maybe to Christians
<3> I'm not a Christian
<1> I don't know why "coming out" is so hard for me...its like I have to say it over an over again
<3> just an Agnostic
<5> in my experience homo***uals just want to be left alone and not imprisoned/tortured/discriminated against
<9> Oh so you defend the bible and aren't even a christian.
<9> Interesting.
<5> they are not out to "destroy society"
<9> It isn't the greatest idea for mankind though.
<9> I agree there.
<4> Sintient I am the same wat
<4> way
<9> I am not surprised.
<3> Null_Ptr must still be operating under the impression that homo***uals are simply hetero***ual style relationships between people of the same-***
<3> Which is of course, not true.
<9> Do you defend greek and roman mythology?
<1> I must go, to bed, with my kitty (my love) =^..^=
<4> No why would I
<5> herzen in what way is that not true in your experience/opinion
<9> Why would you defend the bible?
<4> It makes a lot of sense
<3> Null_Ptr, Boy you are dumber then I thought you were.
<5> herzen no, let's hear this
<11> IT'S ALL ABOUT THE GAME AND HOW YOU PLAY IT ALL ABOUT CONTROL AND IF YOU CAN TAKE IT ALL ABOUT YOUR DEBT AND IF YOU CAN PAY
<5> herzen with a little less personal attackery :P
<9> And the contradictions and the calls for stonings and casting out of people from society is cool with you too?
<11> I AM THE GAME YOU DONT WANNA PLAY ME I AM CONTROL NO WYA YOU CAN SHAKE ME
<11> I AM HEAVY DEBT NO WAY YOU CAN PAY ME
<11> READY TO RUN LIKE A GOOD LITTLE BITCH FROM A SMOKING GUN
<9> What about the old testament?
<11> I MAKE THE RULES SO MOVE ON OUT OF HER OR YOU'D LOOK LIKE FOOL
<9> Do you defend the old testament?
<3> In the male homo***ual community especially, promiscuity and drug use is rampid. The rates of monogamous relationships are astoundingly low
<4> nothing to defend
<11> I AM THE GAME - TRIPLE H !!!!
<4> all the law is superceded by one new testemant law
<3> Its not as though a male homo***ual is just someone who is 'in love' with men and carry out a hetero***ual-style relationship with them in the majority of cases.
<5> herzen In the unmarried male hetero***ual community especially, promiscuity and drug use is rampid. The rates of monogamous relationships are astoundingly low.
<9> "Before they came together"
<9> After listing the genealogy of Jesus, Matthew tells us that Joseph was not Jesus' father after all, which of course makes the entire genealogy meaningless. The Holy Ghost, not Joseph, was the one who impregnated Mary, contradicting many scriptures which clearly state that Joseph was the father of Jesus.
<3> Null_Ptr, I agree and thats to bad, that comes from the breakdown of proper social and moral values since the 1960s
<3> Null_Ptr, ESPECIALLY the breakdown and constant attack on Christian values of the leftwing
<5> but there's nothing unique about homo***uality - you're just describing MEN
<10> how pathetic does your life have to be before spamming irc is a pasttime?
<12> heh
<12> repubs are going "get away from BUSH get away from BUSH!"
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