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<0> gloriae is so in need of attention.
<0> I feel sorry for her.
<0> She is trying to use ME to get her attention.
<0> Sad.
<1> Iiiiii Loooove Newww Yooorkkkkk!
<2> Zaw irrelvant, all of this aside, im concentrating on a single issue only
<2> the fact the phone company VOLUNTARILY released this information
<3> bmc: whatever, TERRORIST supporter. you're either with us or against us.
<1> New York lawmakers agreed Wednesday to cap the sales tax at 8 cents per gallon, freezing the tax at the rate paid when gas costs $2 a gallon. Lawmakers said that would save consumers $450 million a year.
<2> which is in violation of FCC regulation and federal law
<4> Zaw they don't listen in unless you are calling a known terrorist overseas. Why don't you be clear about that?
<1> YEH! gas will go back down to 2.50 - 2.60 a gallon
<5> Sarcastic bitches :P
<2> dont even look at the government on this one, they didnt do anything wrong
<1> yippie!
<0> So funny that gloriae thinks anyone cares who she ignored she probly just can't read fast enough to keep up withe everyone so she ignored half the people so she feels up to speed.
<2> its your phone company
<1> Comet because its more fun to make **** up as you go along
<4> Zaw you want to be able to call known terrorists secretly?
<6> bmc: how do we know this isn't another google? where they claimed one thing, and it wasn't what they claimed it was..
<1> hehe
<7> If you vote for Hillary Soddamn Insane Clinton your against me.
<3> CometBaby: what are you afraid of? you should allow the government to listen to ALL conversations.
<4> Zaw you want EVERYONE to be able to call known terrorists secrety?
<0> 10million people are on watch so does that mean 10million people are known terrorists?
<3> CometBaby: i want the government to monitor each and every conversation
<8> Comet: how do you know they're terrorists? and what if they call YOU by mistake?
<2> Lupine they are going to have congressional hearind and question the phone companies, id imagine we'll find out then
<4> Zaw .. why not have an honest conversation about this?
<2> they said whatever info they cant get from the justice dept theill try to get from the phone companies
<0> What about someone who talks to a terrorist in another country then immediately calls someone in this country is conversation not monitored?
<2> its not even about monitoring
<6> bmc: oh jesus ****.. congressional hearings? No, I want to see the CIA investigate this leak, and then hang who ever is talking like the Rosenburgs
<0> I mean like the terrorist says "Hey call your friend and start the attack."
<2> just phone records
<4> OcDoc .. well, gosh. Lets just give everyone the benefit of the doubt huh? Repeat mistakes? No sweat. Let's just all hold hands and sing Kumbaya.
<0> But that second call is FOR SURE not monitored because it is domestic?
<0> That is a laugh.
<2> Lupine the media is under no obligation to keep any information secret
<1> "Cutting the gas tax is a false solution. I don't think the public is fooled," said Rob Sargent, energy analyst with the environmental coalition called the State PIRGs. "It just delays the inevitable - dealing with the bigger problem - and that is our overreliance on oil."
<6> bmc: good point.. no need for a legit trail. Just send in blackops and execute them on the spot.
<1> gotta loev Envirowhacks
<0> LEts give this administartion the benefit of the doubt?
<8> Comet: no, I prefer the tried and true method of declaring someone a suspect first and THEN getting permission from the judge to wiretap
<5> hahaha media
<2> anyways, the phone companies have no business sharing your personal phone records without a warrant
<4> sintient for sure Democrats would not want a phone call like that monitored would they? I mean no democrats were killed at the WTC? Don't you think some things cross party lines?
<2> if you arent upset about that, i dont know what to hink
<2> think*
<0> huh?
<0> I don't get the sarcasm.
<0> You said no domestics are being monitored I just made the scenario to show that most people would want some domestics being monitored right/
<4> OcDoc in other words you want to tie their hands and make sure they are way behind the 8 ball at all times?
<6> jesus ****ing christ, are people ignorant about what carnivore is, or green latern, or any of the programs that has existed for a decae now?
<0> Leviathan?
<2> Lupine all illegal, and all irrelevant
<8> Comet: shrug ... that's YOUR interpretation, not what I said
<0> Canivore? Gloriae?
<4> Ocdoc, then, like the Dems you will bitch "You SHOULD have known" ??
<2> it doesnt matter who else broke the law, when or how
<3> oh Brave New World!
<2> we are only talking about the present
<6> bmc: it doesn't matter who you claim broke the law
<1> Individual calls apparently were not monitored; the records instead were used to detect calling patterns that could suggest terrorist activity, according to the newspaper.
<1> "We're not mining or trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans," Bush said. "Our efforts are focused on links to Al Qaeda and their known affiliates . . . .As a general matter, every time sensitive intelligence is leaked, it hurts our ability to defeat this enemy."
<6> "notwithstanding"
<8> Comet: sometimes you put words in other peoples' mouths instead of discussing
<0> Like england "They did know about 77" but they didn't act.
<6> let me repeat that
<6> Individual calls apparently were not monitored; the records instead were used to detect calling patterns that could suggest terrorist activity, according to the newspaper.
<2> Lupine i didnt claim who broke it, the fcc itself says phone companies cant share that info
<8> Comet: whenever you say "in other words" beware
<2> without your concent, or without complying with the law
<4> OcDoc those are the real life consequences of what you advocate
<2> which means a court order
<8> Comet: I disagree
<0> So then the patterns are used to get warrants?
<6> bmc: no, you claim that is what the FCC claims. it's still your opinion
<4> not some *pie in the sky* wishful thinking
<1> all this is about is Democrats lame attempts to torpedo Hayden from heading the CIA
<2> Lupine nope, right on the FCC's website
<6> bmc: show where they say the specifics of this case, is illegal
<4> bmc Bush has not disobeyed the law .. so stop implying he has.
<6> not some "general" thing.. but a direct comment upon what wa sbeing done
<8> Comet: interdepartmental rivalries is what let the terrorists ****er-punch us on 9/11 ... not constitutional protections for citizens
<0> A database of every call ever made inside this country.
<0> -Countdown
<2> CometBaby nobody implied he did in this instance
<2> or even mentioned his name
<8> Comet: bureaucracy in a bloated government
<2> or were even talking about bush
<2> or the bush admin
<4> OcDoc .. you don't know that. And you don't know that if we had been monitoring these kinds of phones calls then .. this may have been avoided.
<8> Comet: I know as much about it as you do
<4> England has announced they have prevented three attacks with phone monitoring.
<8> Comet: you're the one speculating about what might have been IF ..
<0> Phone monitoring stemming from warrants gotten from phone records?
<2> at least 3 phone companies, verizon, bell south and at&t have voluntarily released private phone records of US citizens to the NSA, without their consent
<2> thats what im talking about
<8> Comet: what we actually KNOW about 9/11 is in the report
<2> nothing about monitoring at all
<5> WHat would be avoided?
<0> Monitoring calls is something.
<8> Comet: I have never said they should never monitor calls
<4> OcDoc because you refuse to. You just lay your pie in the sky theories down and then pretend that everything is going to be just hunky dorey forevermore.
<0> Who you call is not public information.
<6> evermore! evermore!
<0> Sqawk
<6> lol
<8> I'll compare the facts with your speculation and my 250 years of history with your police state chicken-little tactics any time
<4> OcDoc no you didn't. You just want to make sure that they are delayed as long as possible. And of course, if they get one of those clinton appointed judges, they will be delayed permanently.
<8> Comet: generalizations don't support your claims
<4> they don't support yours either "my 250 years of history with your police state chicken-little tactics any time"
<5> Monitoring without probable cause should not happen
<6> OcDoc: since american has allowed the abolition of the 2nd amendment, we as a people *deserve* a "police state"
<4> Vemo .. when you are trying to contact terrorists .. that is probably cause.
<0> You can't have a gun?
<8> Comet: I have said repeatedly that I don't consider preventing the sharing of information between criminal investigators to be a violation of the constitutional protections
<9> not only the 2nd, but the 4th Amendment as well
<9> :/
<8> Lupine: I haven't allowed it and I don't deserve it
<6> venod: i agree. cities should not monitor traffic patterns without getting a warrant for each car that goes thru the intersection
<0> You don't know what is in those criminal investigations it could be private infomation.
<1> the democrats have done anything and everything in their power to deny this president the ability to protect this country in hopes that we will get attacked again so they can use that attack to justify their hatred and be able to say "SEE I TOLD YOU BUSH ****S!"
<4> And I have said repeatedly that your *pie in the sky* theories will only succeed in tying the hands and delaying ability to protect us.
<2> the latest story isnt about monitoring, its about sharing your phone records
<5> comet: But I think you are innocent until proven guilty....
<2> those phone records are private, and cant be shared without your consent
<4> Vemo .. oh spare me the self-righteous rhetoric
<8> Comet: I can come up with all kinds of innocent scenarios why someone might call a terrorist ... if the police are investigating the guy you're calling and need to know who is calling them, it's not problem getting a wiretap order
<9> i do like our "innocent until proven guilty" approach
<5> comet: We can't let it get too far is what I'm saying
<4> Vemo you are our dialup mindspring troll .. so spare me the bull****.
<9> the tough thing tho CometBaby, is striking a balace between security and freedom
<5> comet: I don't kiss and tell
<2> we dont have to give up our rights to be "safe" from terrorism, i wont give up my rights for some false promise of safety
<6> ocdoc: and someone could innocently walk into a crackhouse..
<4> Vemo .. go ahead. It's of no concern to me. I don't cyber.
<8> Lupine: that's just silly
<6> ocdoc: you've never heard of a stakeout of a crack house?
<8> Lupine: but a door to door salesman or girl scouts selling cookies COULD innocently knock on the door of a crackhouse
<4> I'm married and faithful.
<6> They sit there and record who goes into the house.. and monitor all the transactions.
<6> ocdoc: right, and they'll still be monitored
<0> Streets are public.
<5> comet: You spoke about clinky rhetoric
<2> phone lines arent
<8> Lupine: fine ... if it's legally ordered by a judge then it's okay
<6> and hell, how would they know they arn't actually selling crack in the cookies?
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