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<0> lab rats would likely live longer if untested
<1> commucrappist
<2> other than entertainment of course
<3> As long as spending doesnt hurt a lot they will continue to spend more and more.
<4> So just get on the side that's winning.
<5> Domestic spending, that is.
<6> Pickle: that's because the intended limitations on spending in the constitution are being ignored
<0> but someone put them in the cage
<1> I like that variation of the Marxist credo Male
<2> hehehe
<3> I agree with the idea of cutting governments money supply.
<5> OcDoc: Yes. And that's because those limitations are contradicted by the basic nature of America's political system.
<4> I figure it takes a m***ive meltown of society to slow down government.
<2> Marxocapitalism =)
<6> okay ... time to go shower ... laterz guyz and dollz
<2> how's that
<4> Otherwise it's unstoppable.
<1> Form each according to ability, to each according to ther greed
<3> Let them deficit spend because it will at least hurt when they p*** bills which put us deeper in debt, meanwhile with lower taxes the macro economy will be better.
<3> And the microeconomy
<6> Cry: from each according to the payoff to the decision committed, to each according to the payoff to the decision committee
<1> all we need is a m***ive loss of faith in our government...
<1> then Fiat currency will take a big hit
<3> Pain and anger from the electorate is the solution.
<1> OcDoc unless yer offed in process
<6> Free: they are experts at diffusing the pain
<7> Cry: I believe we already have a m***ive loss of faith in our government
<3> The Anger wont be there if people are taxed more and the deficit was decreased.
<4> well, if we had some kind of 'Weimar' situation, then all bets are off. Hyperinflation and m***ive unemployment. Then this country can go in all sorts of directions.
<1> mizzy...not yet...
<6> okay .. bye bye
<7> look at the reactions to the hurricane disasters
<2> a libertarian has to have liberty as a guiding principle ... socialism is about "the collective" ,,,, libertarianism favors individuality
<1> when you see our Dollar lose 50% of its value...then you will know
<1> yes
<2> I favor individualism over collectivism any day
<0> katrina was mostly media hype
<4> I think more like the 100% inflation per month or something and 70% unemployment. Then things to way off the rails.
<1> a Libertarian despises a socialist...and vice versa
<2> yup
<8> you dare speak against the Borg way of life? ;-)
<7> do you think the presidential approval polls are an indicator of the country's faith in the government?
<2> hehehe
<9> I'm not a Socialist and I don't like Libertarians
<3> They will be angry at the tax hikes, but they will evnetually get used to it and focus on the deficit side. Americans are schizophrenic they are often against tax hikes, and often against tax cuts.
<9> I tend to find them pretty backwards
<9> and self-centered
<1> hell Libertarians do not even see eye to eye with some 'conservatuives
<9> I'm a Social Conservative though
<7> Espectro: how exactly was katrina media hype?
<3> I dont find libertarians backward, I find them locked too tightly in an ideological box.
<1> Herzen...you are a product of it though
<9> CryHavoc, I find myself more idealogically aligned with some of the Conservatives on this channel then my own countrymen
<1> Herzen...you favor State control far far too much
<3> I feel much more comfortabl as a small "l" libertarian.
<9> CryHavoc, For instance, TheTailor, rond, IamKing, etc
<1> well herzen...thats a start
<2> Herzen: you may say that if you want that's your view, but Libertarians (small L or large L) all favor individuality as the guiding principle
<2> and liberty
<0> Seattle ppl should have been like HEY! we live by a masive body of water too, but we aren't/didn't choose to live BELOW SEA LEVEL
<4> Real change requires a m***ive meltdown of the social order, imo. Eeryone just 'wanting something' does nothing, for themost part.
<1> and most of all US_Male..Minarchism
<2> yes
<9> US-Male, thats fine, but i'd rather live in a society that removes my liberty to smoke crack in trade for not having to see crackheads in the street
<10> herzen where are u from?
<0> i'm not trying to get balls by being an ahole
<9> US-Male, where I disagree with Libertarianism the most is on Social Policy
<9> because they're just backwards
<1> that directly goes against the governmental system of most of countries of the world
<0> but **** the katrina victims
<3> If I could take over my GOP party I would kick out all the far right social conservatives, And I do mean FAR right. Not social conservatives only the extremeist nuts like Pat Robertson.
<0> i didn't make the hurricane
<3> Christians who are moderate tend in my experience in life to be very good people..
<1> the fact is, with few exceptions, private enterprise performs better than government
<3> People who seem to be super religious worry me.
<4> I'd send Pat Robertson on stealth mission to Venezuela to kill Chavez
<7> Espectro: wow. That is so callous.
<2> Herzen: then you should be a Republican ;P
<2> lol
<9> US-Male, I woudl be if I lived in the USA
<2> j/k
<0> not really
<1> Pat Robertson was not excoriated by his own....
<9> US-Male, In Canada I vote Conservative, and i'm pro-War
<0> i don't enjoy their misery
<1> that presents a serious problem
<0> just their wanting to share it
<9> US-Male, besides, the fact that i'm not particularily Pro-Choice basically disallows me from voting Democrat if I was in USA
<2> In Canada I guess that's the closest parallel
<1> Herzen how do you feel about Canada's health Care?
<5> Republicans are not a "big tent" party and shouldn't try to be. The Democrats are and that's why they have no direction whatsoever.
<4> "I want to have your abortion"
<10> Herzen I hope harper does well in our country
<9> CryHavoc, It needs privatization to shorten waiting times
<7> Pickle: that's an astute statement
<10> unfotunately a lot of the media dislike him
<3> Well the GOP didnt have much success until we became a big tent party
<3> when we wouldnt allow pro choice speakers it hurt..
<1> interesting Herzen...as in wrested from governmental control?
<9> CryHavoc, My province spends 44 cents of every dollar spent on our healthcare system
<11> Anyone with a link to the terrorism alterts?
<9> Yet its rated the worst in the country
<3> The last 2 primaries we cut the religious rightwing out of the convention and we won.
<2> abortion is a battle that Republican politicians should not try to fight
<9> Obviously the socialized system has a fundamental problem that throwing money at it won't fix
<9> US-Male, Its up to State Republicans IMO
<1> Herzen...that is a very Libertarian/Conservative approach :)
<9> US-Male, federal republicans can keep appointing right-leaning justices
<2> if it is ever changed it will be done by the courts, it is not smart to address it ina camaign
<2> Herzen: yes, that they can do
<9> US-Male, and state republicans will bring legislation banning abortion
<1> the prob is the gov't having its hands in the pie
<3> Rewpublicans being in a majority has not been the norm in my lifetime, I am used to overwhelming democrat party domination of politics
<9> US-Male, just like SoutH Dakota now
<2> Herzen: maybe. Courts tend to leave some things be
<1> Free..yep
<5> The biggest problem with Canada's system is that not only is insurance public, so is service delivery. And that's where the shortages come in.
<2> hard to say
<8> US-Male, it is the core issue for many of the party activitist in the Repub party
<4> Trade Union movement basically imploded. That's what caused downfall of Democrats.
<9> Pickle, right, what I support is essentially private service delivery
<3> and thats been the case sense before Reagan and though we had a lot of republican president its because the gop were considered better on presidential issues and democrats on mom and pop issues
<2> yes, but it's not wise to campaign on abortion
<1> Pickle...when you limit what docs can charge...you wind up with a lower quality of doctor...
<9> Pickle, and Klein's '3rd way' option doesn't look too bad
<2> Bush knows that
<5> Provinces like Alberta, which have the same fully-public system as anywhere else, but have privatized service delivery to a certain extent, do not have the shortage issues that other provinces suffer from.
<4> Democrats are becoming the 'government and black' party essentially. This is a substantial block.
<8> US-Male, true, except in the primaries
<1> the ones who might want to be docs...will go into some other field
<3> ke6i, that is a large part of it
<3> the changeing economy has helped republicans
<2> you can hint around in primaries
<4> Hard to imagine now, but the unions were a huge deal, like before 1970 or so.
<3> the changing economy has forced unions to lose power, its just not capable to organize in this economy like it was when we were more of an industrial economy
<8> US-Male, but McCain is dead in Repub primaries precisely because of abortion
<4> The only unions that are growing these days are government unions.
<10> Herzen where are you from in canada?
<3> It used to boil down to this, in simplistic terms.
<9> allan5oh, Friendly Manitoba
<3> Republicans were businessmen and some others and Democrats were Labor
<10> ah
<10> me as well
<9> Wherein?
<10> winnipeg
<9> Ah
<9> I live in Brandon
<2> I do think Roberts and others will uphold the Constitution and laws as best they can
<3> If you wanted to simplify it that would be a very simplistic fairly accurate but definately not scholary analysis of the old parties.
<2> as a group
<4> Teacher, Prison guard unions still strong. Government stuff.
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