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<0> any operators online?Need to ask a question.
<1> i c in the news that fiengold is after bush for spying now....lol
<2> speaking of coffeee ... brb
<1> it's 56 degress here in maine, winter time....i know it's bushes fault.....
<3> mikeeee Bush better hope the dems dont get control of the Congress....We will quickly hear the "I" word! :)
<4> Tornados in southern missouri
<1> that's all the dems know now is the "i" word
<4> i swear, those mobile homes in hope, arkansas are gonna get slammed
<3> wow 56 in Maine...August weather! :)
<1> more like july....lol
<5> spying on terrorists is an impeachable offense
<6> mobile homes attract hurricanes
<7> TomM--: impeach bush over what?
<5> bush commited the unforgiveable sin of being a republican
<4> US_Male: exactly
<3> I gotta get ready for the B ball game....go Eagles!!!!! :) Seeya all......arca just for being Bush!!!! lol
<4> US_Male: and our gov't done gone and parked 10,000 in the middle of "tornado alley" haha
<1> if the dems had their way, the dems would give the terrorists in state tuition to any school of the terrorsit choice
<7> lol l0c0
<7> L0c0: the government is smart though, leave them alone
<7> lol
<5> mikeeee, there's already a Taliban in Yale
<3> mikeeee I have no idea why I like you. Despite you being a right wing a..hole!! :)
<1> the one who run over the students
<5> no
<2> BillF: how do you know they're terrists?
<5> that was NC
<5> who?
<6> L0c0, the hurricane sees a mobile home and wants to eat them up
<2> BillF: the ones they're spying on?
<1> lol
<5> oh, well... i don't know... perhaps because they are calling known terrorists overseas?
<8> heh I saw a picture of David Lee Roth on a city bus for his radio show, man he's really prematurely aged, I guess all those drugs and blondes do it to ya ;)
<2> BillF: okay, next question - how do you know they're "known"?
<2> hans: and tattoos
<6> I refer you to Donald RUmsfeld's treatise on "knowns"
<5> because we have phone numbers of some terrorists and can monitor their calls
<9> bill where you from?
<2> and ciggies
<2> BillFrugg: what do you mean "we?" ... do YOU have that info?
<5> we=US
<7> OcDoc: you mean you don't?
<2> BillFrugg: okay, next question - how do you know that you can trust the people doing the spying to stay only on the terrists?
<7> OcDoc: you are not a patriot... you would have the information if you were
<2> arcane: shush
<6> there are known knowns, then there are unknown knowns......
<7> ocdoc has muqtada al sadr on his speeddial
<2> if the only one who knows who he's spying on is him, how do you know he's not spying on his wife to make sure she's staying faithful to him while he's at work?
<6> his friends call him "Muq"
<6> or Muqqie
<5> OcDoc: a question for you - Are you on the list?
<2> BillFrugg: how would I know? it's SECRET!
<2> duh
<5> lol
<7> lol
<6> I have the list. OcDoc is on it
<2> BillFrugg: so the point is, the Constitution puts things like habeas corpus and warrants IN the constitution to preven abuses
<5> you are so right... we shouldn't have any way of knowing what the terrorists are doing. we should only send in the police and ambulances whenever they DO attack
<2> BillFrugg: did I say that? don't put words in my mouth
<5> OcDoc, that program only eavesdropped on _overseas_ phone calls
<2> BillFrugg: I have no objection to spying on american citizens
<5> you are saying as much
<5> oh? just don't spy on you?
<2> BillFrugg: no, I"m not and I don't appreciate your saying that I am
<5> then what are you saying?
<2> BillFrugg: no, I'm saying get a warrant from someone trustworthy outside your spy organization
<10> BillFrugg maybe if you'd listen instead of making ***umptions and accusations you'd know what he was saying?
<10> (or, I guess read, not really listen :) )
<2> BillFrugg: if you don't have to get a warrant from a judge, then there is no chance of any safeguard
<11>
<5> yes, he's saying we need to get permission from a judge before we listen in on a terrorist's conversation with someone in the US
<5> I think you need to read the Constitution a bit more
<7> hans--: yea... fetishes are not as dangerous as the patriot act :(
<10> arca|\|e except asphixiation fetishes
<2> BillFrugg: you are very trusting of the spies ... I'm not trusting at all of them ... in fact I think our own government is a more dangerous potential threat to me personally than the terrorists are
<10> they are pretty dangerous
<7> KoBushi: true
<12> flashing your bios is more dangerous than flashing school buses
<10> ScottFree lol
<5> then you prefer the terrorists over our own government?
<10> ScottFree I dunno...
<13> http://www.hockeyfights.com/videos/
<8> When I had my four by four truck, I used to catch quite a few "road chrome" shows. That was always fun.
<12> I dont know either actually
<7> hans--: which are?
<10> ScottFree I mean, if you stand in front of the school bus to flash it...
<2> BillFrugg: there you go again
<14> ..
<8> the driver getting blown :) hence...road chrome.
<7> i hate flashing school busses
<5> how did i misread your statement?
<2> BillFrugg: no one who read what I posted could possibly come to that summation of my beliefs
<7> they have those in florida
<12> flashing stationwagons full of nuns is another story
<7> damn they are annoying
<7> ah....
<10> ScottFree indeed, you might get mauled
<5> "I think our own government is a more dangerous potential threat to me personally than the terrorists are" -- what is my error?
<7> hans--: did you ask if you could be next :)
<2> I said my government is a much greater POTENTIAL threat to me than the terrorists are ... I don't PREFER either of them
<15> OcDoc imagines some things
<2> I don't want to be abused by the terrorists, but the government is much larger, much more powerful in my world and much CLOSER to me personally
<2> bud: so did the founders of the nation ... were they paranoid?
<10> if paranormal is something not normal... is paranoid something not noid?
<2> bud: abuse by my own government is much more dangerous to me without the constitutional limitations "imagined" by the framers of the constitution
<5> it is the duty of the US Government to protect and defend this country from all enemies, both foreign and domestic
<8> para means "like"
<15> OcDoc you are your govt.
<2> BillFrugg: yup, that's their duty
<2> bud: not by a long-shot
<10> hans-- so then what is "noid" ?
<2> bud: I have never successfully elected my representatives at any level of government
<15> OcDoc oh yes you are
<15> then you arent doing enough
<2> bud: I politely think you're full of ****
<15> OcDoc and I you
<15> we make up our own govt, not 'they'
<8> noid comse from noia
<8> means mind
<10> bud` unless you are in the minority, and then you get no say at all :)
<15> KoBushi I know what is required
<8> metanoia is the word for repenting in the NT, means a change of heart/mind. noia is the key word
<10> bud` so then, how could being in the extreme minority, translate into "then you aren't doing enough" ?
<2> bud: and you exclude up to 49% of the "we" in doing so
<2> bud: so you believe in unlimited government by 50% plus one "people"
<15> KoBushi who in this conversation is representing the extreme minority?
<10> bud` OcDoc
<15> OcDoc i belive in the individuals rights topetition the government
<16> you cannot petition the lord with prayer
<15> OcDoc in my case, i require 7200 signatures to get an issue on the ballot
<7> OcDoc: that is how it works in america
<2> I'm not an extreme minority ... we frequently get up to 15% in two-way elections ... but we'll never know how many people would vote for us because with the current system we have no chance of ever winning
<17> yes i can
<8> you vote libertarian OcDoc?
<10> bud` that still translates to an issue of majority vs minority
<6> petition the lord with prayer .....
<6> petition the lord with prayer .....?
<7> OcDoc: I know you're not a greenie...
<10> If only 200 people agree with you... you are SoL :)
<7> OcDoc: so you have to be Libertarian
<6> what song was that in
<15> KoBushi no, it doesnt, it requires presenting an idea to the voters, who wil either agree or disagree
<10> So, how can those in the minority, say that they government is "thiers" ?
<16> The Soft Parade by the Doors
<10> bud` if you can't get 7200 people to sign, then you can't even get that far :)
<15> for example, I want to propose to the voters here that we eliminate exclusive contracts to cable TV providers. I need 7200 signatures to get this on the ballot.
<10> And if you can't get 7200 signatures?
<2> hans: not any more ... our party joined in a lawsuit that caused the state of Washington to throw us off the ballot
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