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<0> bein->being
<1> JanetB, I think Alito is already confirmed.
<2> KoBushi.... not at all, I vote the way I do.. so things are left.. the democratic party left me 20 years ago
<3> I don't think he will be.
<2> and if the rep party does the same, I will leave that too
<3> He has too two or three positions that go against the constitution.
<1> This is a guy without a lot of skeletons, if all they can do is find thinks from 1985 20 years ago, I wouldnt remember much either.
<2> FT.. oh he will be.. but I doubt it will be more than 60 votes
<4> FT: well, from 72 really
<5> any 2 party state scares me...It is a duopoly
<3> Dems can filibuster.
<3> I men any senator.
<3> mean
<2> sintient.. they fillubuster.. and the reps will over ride it and they can
<4> well, Kennedy already tried a filllibuster
<0> JanetB well that's fine if you happen to agree with MOST of yur party's platform. But I also don't think that you just go to the ballot box and check beside every "R" reguardless of how that person feels about issues.
<5> hence my distrust in "democracy"
<1> I used to belong to ZPG.. I dont know what they were involved with other than advocating reducing population growth, But if they were into genocide or anything, I wasnt aware of it nor would I have agreed with it.
<3> How much does it take to overide?
<3> 2/3s?
<2> KoBushi.. well thats why I will not vote Mc Cain :D
<1> 2/3rds
<0> JanetB But the problem is, there ARE many people who just go vote, and check beside every "R" or "D" they see; with no knowlege or concern for what that represntative actually believes/etc
<5> think again...think McCain
<3> 60 is not 2/3s
<1> 60 is for cloture
<1> thats not a override veto
<3> so counting on people to not show up.
<1> 2/3rd I believe is for overiding a veto.
<1> Cloture means the right to vote on an issue
<1> a fillibuster prevents cloture.
<1> you need 60 for cloture
<2> persry was settled for 50 years in Percy.... and they want him to say it is settled in roe....
<1> you need 51 for parlaimentary rule changes
<0> Lupine that would still only reduce the blind loyalism a little bit... they'd just put up more signs that say "Democrat : name" ; and etc
<2> what would have happened in this country had percy NOT been overturned?
<1> which is why if the fillibuster republicans with a majority vote will take away the right to fillibuster judicial nominees only, Because historically The practice has almost never been to fillibuster a judicial nominee, how many examples are their of filibusters ? 1 or 3 in our entire history ?
<3> He was for judicial immunity, overrideing r v w, I think it could be tough.
<0> I don't see why Alito doesn't just say "based on everything so far; I agree with the Roe decision" or "based on info so far I disagree with the Roe decision"
<0> Why is that so hard?
<4> FT: 1 in the full senate I believe, two only in hearings
<1> cloture think of as the agreement to vote up or down. The its majority rule.
<2> so then we should not have looked at Percy?
<1> the = Then
<6> filibustering a judicial nominee is tantamount to letting the minority rule the majority
<2> he can not answer a question about roe.. it could come before him and they KNOW it
<3> Still it is a life long appointee the congress should agree.
<7> schumer is being hard *** again
<1> Lupine right, so the tradition of the Senate is not to fillibuster Judicial nominees. and the so called nuclear option would put the tradition into the rules.
<3> Filibuster is allowed so that the majority can't steam roll the minority.
<0> JanetB why does that mean that he cannot say weather he agrees with the Roe decision based on the arguments given at the time?
<4> FT: its not the "nuclear option". It is "the right to vote" option
<2> KoBushi.. he can not say it
<0> JanetB He could say he agreed with other decisions
<0> why is the Roe one any different?
<2> roe is different cause it is bad law
<7> shcumber is sayin that right now
<2> and any leagl person will tell you that
<7> it doesnt matter bad or good law...
<0> If that's how he feels then why doesn't h say so?
<6> filibustering in my opinion is unconstitutional
<3> Privacy.
<0> rather than avoiding the question 1000 times :P
<1> Lupine did you know with DDR2 Ram its best to have 2 modules ?
<1> SO I have 2 512's I am going to add 2- 1gig
<1> For a total of 3 gigs
<2> yes it matteres, because.. if it came up.. they would try to say he said it was settled law... and he can not vote to over rule it
<2> and it very well could be overturned
<1> because the ram acts independently so to speak, Thats an analogy not a literalism
<3> Dave Cross said he was for anti-abortion laws cause there just aren't enough teenage prostitutes.
<0> JanetB then why doesn't he just answer HONESTLY?
<2> KoBushi.. he SAID that yesterday
<0> instead of avoiding the question
<1> You probably know the engineering principles behind it.
<2> they will NOT accept that answer
<0> JanetB because it's not an answer
<2> lolol
<0> he is basically saying "I can't answer" over and over :P
<0> yet, he can answer about other law
<0> I see no difference
<1> I jus found that out this morning, I was wondering why my box came with 2 Ram Modules instead of 1
<2> andythinh that can come before the court they can not answer to
<1> Is Lupine still here ?
<1> Hm
<0> He might have to sit on a case about ANY of the previous SC decisions EVER made.
<0> By that logic, they can't answer **** :P
<1> Someone msgd me its a Republican only room, Are you all Republicans, Kobushi ?
<2> basically he really can't
<2> and if you listen to his answers, they clearly are abstract
<0> FreeTrade I'm sure not :) I'm no Democrat either
<3> No kiddng you guys aren't democrats wow.
<0> JanetB yeah, though some less abstract than others
<1> Kobushi, well the implication that we all think the same is ridiculous.
<2> KoBushi.. less so on cases HE has decided on the court
<0> FreeTrade I agree
<1> Hell Janet and I agree and disagree on stuff, You and i do. Pretty much me and everyone disagrees on some issues ;)
<1> disagree -s
<1> Oh
<2> yup... it wold be a boring channel if we all agreeded!
<1> Panini reminds me check stock market
<8> i disagree with oyu on that point free trade
<0> JanetB just to me, if he can answer to one issue, he can answer to an other you know what I mean? This song and dance of them asking round-about indirect questions, and him giving round about indirect answers is hogwash
<5> boknaai
<2> KoBushi.. you can get a sense of who he is.. but no one has been grilled on R V W like this ever!!
<1> Mediocre day on the street
<2> they have called this man a biggot, a liar... and lied about cases...
<2> and what they are doing is totally wrong
<0> I've only heard a few snippets of it while driving
<6> FRESNO, Calif. - A rural high school teaching a religion-based alternative to evolution was sued Tuesday by a group of parents who said the cl*** should be stopped because it violates the U.S. Constitution. Frazier Mountain High in Lebec violated the separation of church and state while attempting to legitimize the theory of "intelligent design" by introducing it as a philosophy cl***, according to the federal lawsuit filed by p
<6> arents of 13 students. The teacher is also a minister's wife.
<4> In the last 2 years, Isreal has purchased more than 4,500 laser-guided bombs from the US, including 500 GBU-27 "Bunker Buster" bombs.
<2> what is there problem with this orgnization?
<0> such topics don't belong in high school level cl***es anyway
<2> do they even know who founded it?
<2> before he answers
<1> Intelligent design as a philosophy cl*** is legitimate.
<0> evolution and intelligent design should be strictly college level cl***es only
<1> as a Sceince cl*** its not. Biology or anthropology
<2> Alito.. I was upset that they were trying to get the ROTC off Yale campus
<3> I was told I could or didn't have to read the evolution section of my biology book cause my teacher was a chrstian scientist.
<2> and I wanted it to stay on campus this group supported ROTC
<0> most high schoolers don't have the mental aquity to form thier own opinions on such subjects and they know it.
<1> IN the university level it could be a physics concept for theoretical scientists who believe in a divine spark.
<3> I don't think I was allowed to ask questions either.
<1> My box is acting strange and I am not suprised give what I have done to it in the last 2 days, I think I better reboot it.
<1> brb
<3> Intelligent design is like the opposite of philosophy philo=love sophia=knowledge ID states that we know so little it is legitimate it is basing a decision on lack of knowledge
<0> sintient most schools only spend about 30 minutes on evolution anyway
<9> alito is getting grilled
<3> Yeah sure not much to do with it except now with GM you can evolve things fast.
<0> no real scope of the issue can be covered in a wide reaching HS science cl***... it's absurd
<3> IT was just one section in a biology book.
<3> Chapter 4 out of 21 or something.
<3> or 35.
<0> sintient yeah, but the real subject ca easily be an 3 hour credit course at a university
<5> knowledge is not learned at university
<3> Sure I guess.
<5> it is like "History is written by the victors"
<6> heh, **** Durbin was a Pro-life supporter for 20-30 years he has been a senator, up until a few years ago he switched in order to win elections and justified changing his stance on the issue is being hypocritical now in suggesting that Alito is so rigid in his own philosophy
<3> Did anyone see the Texan Girls that were asked to stop wearing rebel flag purses to school.
<0> Zenabi knowlege can be obtain from a university, as well as other sources... wisdom cannot
<3> Whatever semanntics.
<10> Shumer can be such a obstinate person
<0> not semantics, an important distinction
<3> You can learn alot of things if you try.
<3> Wisdom and intelligence make me think of RPGs
<0> lol
<11> bad420: alito is untouchable
<3> You are telling me I can become a wizard in college but not a cleric.
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