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<0> Glock21 the reality is, that in some states, votes cast in presidential election hav less weight in deciding who becomes president than votes in other states.
<1> DArth: No one remembers the losers.
<1> ;)
<2> he was similar to Mondale in that sense
<3> he deserve what he got cause he p***ed out on Stage.
<4> KoBushi, that's because we're a republic.
<5> it really is no wonder that left of center folks are always always the first to call for the EC to go away
<6> Well, Dole was a very strange choice to run against Clinton
<6> I'll never understand that one
<7> KoBushi... the reality is that they are statewide elections and have no weighting.
<0> The technicaity is that they aren't actually voting for president, that is true; but it doesn't change the above reality
<8> the original intention was for the states to select the president, not "the people"\
<4> Glock, that is wrong.
<7> JegaPRIME... it is correct.
<0> Glock21 riiight Presidents are only the president of one state ;)
<4> All states have at least 3 electoral votes.
<8> originally the state legislatures chose the ec reps
<2> it's a tough job -- you can't just put a guy with no enegy in there, for his own health
<1> Katey: I'm not sure there was anyone else to run, at the time.
<2> energy
<4> There are a total of 535 electorla votes.
<2> DOle may not have survived the stress
<4> However, not all states have at least 3/535 of the total population of America
<8> a constitutional amendment corrected some flaws that were revealed in early elections
<4> Therefore, those living in those small states have their individual votes weighted
<9> good for them
<7> JegaPRIME... two separate elections.
<4> How is it seperate?
<4> We're discussing two different things
<7> The election done by the electors is not the same one the voters are involved in.
<2> I Mforget who DOle's running mate was
<4> Oh good lord.
<4> Two different things
<0> JegaPRIME because the consequences aren't imporant, only the micro scale pedantry matters
<4> No elector has voted differently than the popular vote in about 100 years.
<4> It's just a formality.
<7> JegaPRIME... yes they have
<1> Jega: Actually
<4> We're talking about whether or not we shoudl be a federal republic
<7> 2004 and 2000
<4> Say it with me
<1> One did in 2004.
<4> Federal republic
<4> As opposed to a direct democracy
<8> a libertarian voted for a woman to be president about fifty years ago
<5> US-Male just goes to show how powerful a VEEP Cheney is. he over shadows all of them
<1> The one who voted, "Edwards/Edwards" :\
<7> Astrodog... which may have been a violation of Amendment XII
<2> JegaPRIME: it's not a bad balance -- you get your population share of votes, plus 2
<7> :P
<3> Astrodog : Kerry / Edwards
<1> Tim: Tht isn't what she voted.
<1> Ooops.
<10> Wait we have a democratically elected republic right?
<3> Glock21 : you know I am multitasking.
<7> sintient... congress, yes.
<4> Democracies and republics are not seperate.
<8> sintient: partially
<7> sintient... no other federal branch.
<1> TimothyWT, You multitask poorly. Add more cores.
<4> I hate it when people say democracy OR republid
<10> Senators are a scam.
<0> JegaPRIME yes they are
<0> JegaPRIME Rome's Republic was not demoratic
<3> Astrodog : cores ?
<4> Right
<4> But ours is
<0> JegaPRIME so they ARE seperate
<10> President is elected by appointees of democraticaclly elected officials.
<7> JegaPRIME... only 1 branch of our government is democratically elected... the other 2 are primarily appointed positions.
<5> The Donkeys benefitted from the change in senator elections, they held congress for 40 years. after
<1> TimothyWT, www.amd.com Cores.
<4> They are seperate in that their are not equal
<9> So we're hearing complaints now from the left that small states get a bigger say per voter in the EC? I thought leftists were all about redistributing power to the weaker guy.
<10> The electoral college is arguably democratic.
<4> They are not seperate in that they dont' share any members
<3> Astrodog : not that type of Multitasking.
<4> Ala set theory
<4> The two circles overlap
<7> sintient... it has a strong democratic influence under current rules.
<10> I mean the memebers of the electoral college are selected by whom?
<10> The govenor?
<7> sintient... the State legislature.
<7> Per Article II
<4> We're a democracy because the people vote. We're a republic because we're a union of small entities
<10> Ok and they are elected directly by the populace.
<4> The elector is a red herring
<0> JegaPRIME that's not what makes a republic
<4> What makes a republic?
<9> A republic is better than a democracy; it insulates us from the dangers of mob rule.
<0> JegaPRIME REPresentative rule
<3> Astrodog : I am talking about I'm transcribing work and watching two other screens
<10> We are a republic because we elect leaders to write our laws and vote on them.
<11> theres no democracy, the politicians in washington don't do what the people want them to do
<4> Ok
<11> they do what the lobbyists and interest groups want
<4> Remember, the etymology of both words is equivalent
<7> sintient... the State legislatures have almost all decided to appoint electors based on the results of a statewide poll.
<4> Just different languages
<10> td- they can be voted against.
<4> res public vs demo cracy
<8> Fallout: not much tho
<4> publica*
<7> sintient... but it is not required that the legislatures appoint based on any poll.
<0> JegaPRIME democracy is when the people decide on issues via vote... there are very few issues on which the public can vote directly
<8> td: who is "the people" you keep talking about ... they p*** the rules that some people want them to
<10> Right but some states allow for split casting of electoral votes and some don't.
<12> lol
<11> http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1158908,00.html check this story if you want to know what lobbyists are.. see the 3rd picture of bush and the indian chief (abramoffs client)
<4> we are a democratic republic
<8> listening to generalizations just drives me up the freaking WALL
<11> they look pretty friendly
<8> "the people"
<6> I think there's only a couple of states that allow for splitting electoral votes
<9> Direct democracies have a hard time getting anything done
<7> sintient... and most states have a way to appoint electors in spite of the statewide poll in certain circumstances.
<5> Bush met with Indians!
<8> "the public:
<12> bill oreilly saying he wants al sharpton in chains
<9> And then you end up with these parliament systems
<9> Like here in Germany
<12> haha
<0> OcDoc why?
<12> oreily wants a return to slavery
<12> tsk tsk
<9> where no single faction has more than a third of the popular vote
<10> Well the appointing is left to elected officials they can do what ever they want.
<4> we are a federal, constiutional, limited democratic republic
<11> yeah bush smiling for a photo-op with one of abramoff's clients.
<5> Al Sharpton in chains, i can live with that
<7> sintient... aye.
<8> Fallout: if that led to a lack of legislation that would be a GOOD thing
<13> Whoa these cross country skiers give it all to the race
<0> JegaPRIME a republic with democratic tendencies ;)
<9> OcDoc: totally depends man
<9> Sometimes it would be
<11> the indian guy even has a freaking head-dress on
<13> you never see sumer olympics just collapsing at the end like you do in the winter
<10> What are some newer constituational governments?
<8> Jega: not much any more ... the constitution is pretty much "interpreted" to mean whatever someone wants it to mean these days
<10> Netherlands and Spain?
<9> But not, for example, here in Germany, where most of the laws are socialist and BADLY in need of changing
<5> OMG the indian wore indian wear!
<10> They rewrote their constiutions within the last 50 years I think.
<7> bbiab... running to the store.
<4> Oc.
<5> The Horror!
<0> sintient "newer" in relation to what? :)
<11> go to that URL i posted and click on next under the picture
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