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<0> I bet its a huge percentage
<1> The government said my disease doesn't exist anymore so I'm not eligible for treatment?
<2> lol
<2> that's terrible
<1> Only the best for our vets
<1> *cough*
<2> don't believe those recruiting commercials
<3> the good news is Oregon will let their doctors kill their patients sometimes
<4> the government does not recognize a lot of schizo's...it's sad, but I know one that's surviving thanks to the U.S's healthcare system.
<0> I know of several
<1> Schizophrenia isn't fatal.
<0> er I know (actually know)
<1> Putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger so that a bullet pierces your brain and bleeds to the point that you die is fatal.
<5> hail
<1> Which is the way most schizos seem to go. But their disease doesn't kill 'em.
<3> my dad refused to go to a private doctor because, by god, he earned health care at the VA and he was going to get it there, and they almost killed him
<3> they had a rule that they couldn't do surgery on a Friday unless it was an emergency
<2> had?
<4> are you serious?
<1> OcDoc... the waiting lists are pretty severe unless you are one of their priority patience... and there are like 8 priority levels.
<1> patients, even
<3> luckily I got the word and got there in time to speak to the chief of surgery ... all of a sudden it became an emergency and they saved his life
<4> wtf? Barbaric
<1> Clinton admin signed the bill that opened the VA to all vets in 1996
<1> You'll notice VA funding was never raised in accordance.
<3> Glock: he was a retired air force physician colonel and he was bleeding to death ... I think that puts him in a pretty high priority
<6> HAHAHAHAH ohh man, Jeff Daniels is George Washington in "The Crossing
<7> Pro-living-wage forces got a boost from a study released by the nonpartisan Public Policy Institute of California. Done by an early skeptic of the benefit of living-wage laws, the report examined 36 cities with such laws including Baltimore, Boston, Chicago, Denver, Detroit, New Haven, and San Jose. It found that slight job losses caused by the law are more than compensated by the decrease in family poverty.
<1> OcDoc... if it's not service connected, he wouldn't be the highest priority, even if dying.
<1> Their priority lists have to do with the bureaucratic system, not your actual health.
<3> Glock: well, it was his own fault, but there was no resident surgeon who was willing to admit it was an emergency and risk being criticized
<6> heh this movie is dumb and dumber
<7> "The fact that a known opponent of these ordinances has come out with a credible study showing the net benefits of the policies is a significant boost to the movement," says Bernstein.
<4> so, the idea is, if you're about to die, don't go to the va in X town.
<2> lol
<1> Linus-... I'm sure that's wonderful news to the people who lost their jobs. The net effect made their loss negligible.
<3> Glock: by the time I got there he had had seven units of blood transfused and his pressure was dropping
<1> w00
<1> "not economically viable"
<7> the sky is falling!
<3> the medicines he was being pumped up with to keep his blood pressure up were causing his fingers to be numb
<1> The VA system is cruel uncaring bitch.
<8> Glock21 they are living with their families
<8> or they moved
<3> CIA: no, the idea is that if you need good medical care in an emergency, don't go to the VA
<1> You drag a vet into the emergency ward and they'll tell you to **** off if he isn't enrolled.
<5> the sky IS falling
<3> having a separate VA Hospital and clinic system is a disaster in the making ... they should eliminate it and give all the vets who qualify ordinary medical insurance
<3> it would save a fortune and they'd get the same medical care that everyone else gets
<1> Some VA hospitals are integrated with actual hospitals these days though... so at least at those you won't be turned away, even though you get billed for it.
<3> Glock: this was one of the best in the nation ... Audie Murphy in San Antonio
<3> they still have stupid rules
<4> seems odd to me...that vets wouldn't be given the highest priority of medical care.
<5> it does?
<1> If they doubled the spending on the VA it probably still wouldn't be enough to get it on track with private hospitals.
<0> Damn 9 more inches of snow at Winter Park in the last week. I want packed groomed snow this week not powder
<3> CIA: well, the alcoholics in end stage liver failure fill up all the beds ... except when they're shuffling down to the smoking room with their IV stands and their oxygen bottles
<1> If they tripled the spending they might be able to use private hospitals.
<1> Good luck with that ever happening though.
<3> rond: wussie
<0> OC exactly
<3> rond: my wife is a fair weather skiier too
<5> wounded gangsters are expensive
<0> I am SO weak :(((((
<1> In 8 years Clinton raised VA spending by about 10 billion dollars... something Dubya did in the first 2 years of his term.
<0> OC actually I am taking lessons this time to handle the messed up stuff better
<3> CIA: I once put in an anonymous suggestion recommending that they double up on the beds by having the vets spend half their time in the smoker while the alternate stays in the bed and then switching
<0> I like powder for the first ...30 minutes of the day
<8> During Clinton the number of veterans decreased.
<4> wow. that's a healthy suggestion.
<9> "It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal cl*** except Congress." -- Mark Twain
<1> The number of veterans rarely ever decreases.
<3> CIA: it was sarcastic, but I was frustrated at the time ... I could never catch the vets in their beds to do the stuff we were supposed to do for them
<1> And the number of vets needing medical care always increases it seems.
<0> If clinton would have been standing up against terrorism the way he should have been then the # of vets wouldn'
<0> have been decreasing
<3> rond: I'm a beginner ... the first day of lessons I sprained my shoulder on the bunny slope
<0> lol
<0> its damn hard
<4> I agree that taxes aren't being spent in the right place....but clinton didn't lead us into a holy war, so he spent less there.
<0> and any depth of snow just increases beyond measure
<0> (increases difficulty)
<3> Glock: well, I think the VA's only possible justification for existence would be to take care of the actual injuries of veterans injured in the line of duty ... everything else is just an unjustified waste
<1> Heh... and even that can be a challenge.
<0> I am a vet and I just learned a month ago I could go to the VA
<3> CIA: no, Clinton buried his head in the sand and pretended there was no threat, but that's another story
<1> I was injured in the service... PROVE IT!
<1> Um...
<1> Don't you have records? No.
<0> I really had not idea that a person that just served 3 years in non war time was able to go to the VA
<3> I do all the disability exams for the VA in this neck of the woods ... athlete's foot and patellofemoral syndrome
<1> rond... enrollment can be blocked for those types if the system is overwhelmed.
<0> K
<0> Is it overwhelmed now ?
<1> That was the 1996 change... but the law says the Sec of VA can freeze enrollments as needed.
<3> rond: well, they tried to establish a priority system so you could get some care if there's no waiting list ... the problem is, there's ALWAYS a waiting list
<1> rond... it was when they p***ed the law... has been ever since.
<0> k
<4> there's always a threat to power...that doesn't mean that what clinton faced is any different than what bush is facing, it just means that bush has declared a holy war, which doesn't represent the united states the way it should.
<0> never mind then
<1> Clinton opened up the VA to all vets and never increased funding.
<0> sounds about right
<1> At least not significantly.
<3> CIA: well, hindsight is usually 20/20 but in retrospect Clinton could have done a lot to prevent 9/11
<0> CIA 50%+ of the adults in the US dissagree with you on the bush part
<0> they stated that to you by re-electing bush
<1> Bush has already boosted VA funding 3 times as much as Clinton did in 8 whole years.
<0> didn't you get the message ?
<4> 911 was an inside job guys.
<0> lol
<4> sorry
<0> your on ignore
<0> I don't talk with fools
<3> rond: I don't think he got even a simple majority of all the voters
<0> don't hang around them
<3> rond: he was elected with a plurality
<4> well, he may have ignored me, but he can't ignore the evidence pointing toward it.
<0> it was more than 50%
<9> Glock21, you'd think that a real libertarian would love Clinton, since out of all the presidents in the last 20 years or so, he really did reduce spending the most
<3> rond: he may have gotten fifty percent of the Dem/Repub votes, but if you include the Green, SWP and LIbertarian I don't think so
<3> parag: he didn't reduce spending at all
<3> parag: government spending went up in all eight of his eight years
<10> parag: he reduce
<10> parag: how did he reduce
<0> I see what your saying hmmmm
<10> parag: how does a president reduce
<0> isn't the green SWP and Libertarian vote like .0000000000001 %
<0> (all together)
<10> 2%
<9> sigh
<4> the libertarians are just republicans in disguise
<9> lets just ignore the CBO
<3> rond: I'm wrong ... he got 50.73 percent of the total vote
<0> I thought it was just above
<3> rond: yup
<3> sorry
<0> np
<3> CIA: rofl
<3> we tend to get three to five percent in state elections (3-way) and up to fifteen percent in 2-way elections
<0> where is rusty ??? I need him to google olympic channels for me
<3> yawn ... okay, I think I can get back to sleep now ... laterz guyz
<0> later OC
<3> bye
<0> think snow !!!
<3> heh ... we got it here
<0> grommed snow
<11> bah
<9> UN and CIA data from 1968 to 2003... aprox. 1.23 die per day from terrorism...23,468 die per day from starvation.
<4> the 1.23 people wouldn't have died from starvation otherwise, so what does that matter?
<10> Young Republican Federation of Puerto Rico Fully Support the admission of Puerto Rico as the 51St State of the United States of America..
<11> The_CIA: You still prefer spending billions on a 'war on terror' instead of a 'war on poverty'? (both are unwinnable by governments, but still)
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