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<0> or are you just making it up
<1> The guy who puts the widget gear on the widget spindle 500 times a day is worth minimum wage at best.
<2> I make it up
<0> the average union worker will vote to strike over a cut in twenty five cents an hour worth of health insurance coverage benefits
<1> 2 minutes of training and they're ready to go for a lifetime.
<2> Glock21 well when minimum wage isn't a LIVING WAGE expect it to be hard to find someone to work for minimum wage
<3> 1,652,598 / 1,701,913 / 1,789,067 / 1,863,033 / 2,010,972 / 2,159,917 / 2,292,215
<1> Minimum wage *is* a living wage unless you live in some really high priced town.
<3> outlay, on-budget, same time frame 98-04
<0> they'll seriously consider striking over any contract proposal that doesn't INCREASE wages and/or benefits ... so they ain't hurtin' all that bad
<1> But almost every town has low budget living.
<3> Glock21, ha!
<3> you're whacked
<2> Glock21 no it isn't, minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation
<1> A town with a high average cost of living still has ****hole parts of town.
<0> deku: that's an argument AGAINST having a minimum wage dufus
<1> deku... doesn't need to.
<3> minimum wage puts you below the poverty line
<1> It's high enough as is.
<1> Linus-... obviously
<2> And minimum wage won't even get you a decent apartment in most places, much less food and transportation
<1> Linus-... the poverty line is a median income.
<2> huh
<3> even walmart supports increase in min wage because their target market share has less buying power
<1> Anything below it is poverty... the minimum wage would necessarily be below it.
<4> If you can't live on minimum wage then do what you have to do to get paid more !!
<1> Can't get any lower ffs.
<3> 18k for family of 4 is median?
<5> deku .. min wage is fine for hs students, or as a part time job for a spouse who just needs extra income. No, you cannot support a family on minimum wage .. but if you are going to have a family, then don't you think you have some personal responsibility to educate yourself so you are in a position to earn more money?
<3> you are so full of crap!
<5> There are allkinds of govt programs for that
<4> pretty simple really and millions upon millions do that
<0> deku: I don't expect people to work for minimum wage ... if minimum wage won't pay for you to stay alive, how come people aren't dying in the streets of starvation ... sheesh!
<0> wow
<1> Linus-... that's how they calculate it... hence why different areas have different poverty levels.
<2> CometBaby I agree
<1> Vary from state to state, county to county.
<3> show me
<5> and anyone with a family who is earning min wage gets lots of perks from govt .. including subsidized housing, food stamps, and free medical care.
<3> poverty line is not derived from median income
<2> I think what needs to happen first is universal healthcare
<3> jesus
<0> deku: people work for minimum wage because that's the work they can get
<5> so overall they are probably doing better than some people
<2> then we can worry about the minimum wage
<0> deku: of course you do
<6> http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/faq.shtml#differences
<2> of course you say of couse i do
<3> if it were based on median income, then 50% would alwys be below poverty line
<3> and its never been 50%
<0> deku: which will divert even more money from jobs into more free **** that produces nothing but more welfare queens
<2> No in the long run uni healthcare would save us money
<2> has worked for other western nations
<0> deku: people like you want to start downward spirals that lead to worse conditions and then want to blame lack of free **** from government as a problem instead of a cause
<3> OcDoc, so paying min wage ends up burdening the tax payer with hidden costs, in effect, providing more welfare to the companies paying it
<5> good gawd .. universal health care creates more problems than it solves
<4> so what minimum wage level would make you happy
<0> deku: you mean the other western nations that have national strikes and riots every few years when they near bankruptcy?
<5> it is the typical response of the socialist .. lower the bar. Bring EVERYONE down to the lowest common denominator.
<2> with uni healthcare you can actually practice PREVENTATIVE medicine
<2> which is much more cost effective
<0> deku: you mean like england that had a national transportation workers' strike recently?
<4> so what minimum wage level would make you happy
<2> than waiting will someobody is about to die then footing the bill
<3> does anyone deny that the taxpayer picks up part of the tab when workers are paid min wage w/ no benefits?
<1> Raising minimum wage raises the costs of business and thus products thereby causing inflation.
<5> deku .. we've seen it in action in Canada .. where it is failing miserably. They cannot even keep doctors there.
<0> deku: only if your patients are willing to take your prevention advice
<1> People make more money but everything costs more.
<3> Glock21, we pay either thro outlays or with slightly higher prices
<0> deku: the only reason we don't have healthy poor people in america is they don't have to DO prevention, even though it's available to them EVERYWHERE
<3> at leat the higher prices keeps the money floating around in the economy more freely than paying hidden costs via taxes
<3> least
<2> CometBaby I am not aware of any shortage of medical practitioners in Canada
<0> Comet: oh, that must be because doctors are greedy
<0> deku: of course you wouldn't be
<5> deku have you ever looked at the situation?
<0> deku: you're only aware of things that support your strange bias
<5> their doctors graduate and leave
<1> If people can't manage their finances at 6 bucks an hour they still won't manage them at 7.
<5> because they are FORCED to work for **** wages
<0> half of the doctors I practice with in this area are canadian
<3> min wage costs all of us, whether you care to admit it or not
<1> raising it costs us too.
<3> low min wages i should say
<0> Linus: yup, it eliminates jobs
<1> It'll cost us one way or the other.
<0> LInus: that costs all of us
<3> actually, it lifts more people off govt doles
<4> Despite these efforts, a CBC national medical commentator chastised us for having publicly presented the results of our NFPWS, which corroborated the need for more family physicians in Canada. He accused us of whining at a time when we should be dealing with the bigger problems confronting our society. Obviously, he chose to ignore the priority we ourselves had given to the way the world has rece
<4> ntly been reconfigured and how what we were presenting must be addressed in that context.
<1> Linus-... hardly.
<5> not only that .. when they graduate they are FORCED to accept jobs in the remote areas .. and if they refuse .. they don't get a license to practice medicine period.
<5> so they leave
<1> A dollar raise doesn't make someone suddenly not poor.
<3> there is NO historical evidence to shpw it costs jobs
<3> NONE
<1> Raising it several dollars probably just makes their job disappear.
<1> And then they're really on the dole.
<0> Linus: now you're making stuff up ... there is no evidence at all that minimum wage laws take people off of welfare
<0> just the opposite
<3> you're making this up
<3> i didn't say welfare
<3> duh
<4> It seems this respected media doc also failed to recognize that new challenges have suddenly made Canadas shortages of doctors and nurses more important than ever.
<3> that's not the only social program
<0> <3> actually, it lifts more people off govt doles
<5> Linus you said the govt doles .. and thats just another way of saying welfare.
<1> Food stamps, subsidized housing, subsidized medical care, unemployment, etc.
<3> yes, dole being any govt handout to those below certain income levels
<4> "We have fewer physicians per capita in Canada than almost any other industrialized country right now," said Dr. Peter Barrett, president of the Canadian Medical ***ociation.
<0> rond: yup ... recruitment of physicians in canada is desperate
<7> they're expensive
<1> If people making 6 bucks an hour need food stamps, they are spending their paycheck on crack.
<0> they're starting to resort more and more to Indian doctors like England did
<7> your crack is different than my crack
<0> rond: oh, he must be lying because doctors are greedy, espeically the equivalent of AMA mouthpieces
<8> non north american doctors? how do they get certified to practice?
<1> If they made 10 bucks an hour they'd be living better but still couldn't afford medical care for the most part... so they'd be on the public dole again.
<0> mct: foreign medical graduate licensing examinations
<4> Ever since provincial governments cut back medical school enrolment by 15 per cent 12 years ago, the CMA has been trying to get them to increase it again.
<4> "I've been fighting it every day for over a decade, but the government finds all this health care stuff expensive," Schumacher said. "It's a problem that has to be fixed from the bottom up. It has to start with our medical schools."
<0> mct: actually, India has good medical schools, but the docs rarely speak english well
<1> The difference between someone living on $6/hr vs $10/hr is one spends more money to survive than the other... but they both survive and neither one of them saves any money.
<7> public health care is on the way people. You don't think the government would let the minimum wage stay so low for so long for a war do you?
<4> Yeah lets let the govt run our entire medical system
<4> !!!!
<4> from school to hospitals
<0> CIA: it's hard to figure out what you're trying to say when all you ever say is sarcastic
<7> Glock21, so what, it's what makes the money go round that matters.
<8> what you mean by good, comparable to an avg. american medical school?
<0> rond: yeah, they're so great at everything else we've let them run
<1> And if you are an adult with no skills worth more than minimum wage, you are a sorry ****er anyways.
<0> mct: yes
<4> Bingo OC
<4> that just amazes me people don't get that
<1> You are poor enough to get financial aid for college... do it. Quit being a worthless person.
<7> sorry you didn't see the value in human life, jerk
<4> EVERYONE HAS BEEN TO THE DMV ?????
<7> :)
<0> they seem to be saying, "Wow, the government sure has ****ed up medical care in America with all their rules and regulations and medicare and medicaid, let's make them run the whole system to fix it"
<4> lol
<1> OcDoc... yeah that'd be wonderful... imagine US health care being like the VA
<1> GREAT!!!
<7> they're doing better I hear
<1> I have to wait how many months to see the doctor?
<8> lol
<4> I wonder what the percentage of vets is that DO NOT use the VA
<1> I don't qualify for the test I need because of some subsection of US Code?
<4> and could
<4> I bet its a huge percentage
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