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<0> I say we'd do well to invest in the railroad and solar energy
<1> common sense has always dictated oil is renewable
<2> Oil is finite
<3> "renewable".... maybe but nowhere near as renewable as how much we're using
<1> it is renewable cry
<0> Oil must be finite, it regenerates but nowhere nesar the rate we use it
<1> you can always create more
<2> not enough to be of amy consequence
<1> that isn't the question
<1> the question is oil renewable
<4> rcane - but big oil companies don't want you to know its renewable
<1> and the answer is yes
<5> scientists believe that there is a lot of oil on mars
<2> define
<2> renewable' in this context?
<2> because at some point at current rate of use and expansion...we WILL run out
<4> cry - oh in about another 50,000 yrs or so -- maybe...
<2> heh the only way we will get to Mars is using propulsion a lot more powerful than we have
<5> Inida and China (who s population accounts for more than half the human race !) want to drive cars like us
<0> Oil on Mars would be worthless unless colonies on Mars are using it
<2> there goes more oil lol
<4> ahh they are driving more cars... all time
<6> yeah
<1> Kaliuna: they don't want you to know? huh?
<2> Oil and soild rocket fuel will not get us out into space and keep us there
<1> Kaliuna: why wouldn't they want you to know?
<4> rcane -- cause then the people would really be bitching more about high gas prices :)
<1> Kaliuna: why would they?
<2> let the gas prices rise...rise,.rise...
<1> Kaliuna: you know how slowly oil regenerates?
<0> I think we need to focus on sustaining our society at it's current level before we worry about space expansion
<2> rcane..how slowly??
<1> CryHavoc: pretty slow :)
<4> rcane-- scientists now say its regenerating faster than they first thought... heard that on news other night...
<2> Nega...if we do not move out into space...there will be some serious wars
<1> Kaliuna: ok... how much faster?
<6> My particular life's experience with fuel has been more about wood for fireplaces and high octane gasoline for my Jag or Challenger or Kawasaki, but I'm ready to move on, something I wasn't always certain I would be
<2> I was ready years ago...
<6> yeah
<6> I can see it now
<0> Cry:We won't be moving into space until those wars are over anyways
<5> Bringing oil from mars will be cost prohibitive
<4> rcane -- sorry I didn't catch the entire news article on it - all I got was a lot less time than originally thought...
<2> but a Multi-Trillion dollar industry willnot go easy
<0> Cry:It will go when the money runs out
<2> and also consider the ME...almost wholly oil dependent
<1> and yet they still live in the stone age
<5> But burning fossil fuel is destroying the planet's eco system
<2> but Nega..as long as oil is a wrold commodity needed for the world economy to function...the peace must be kept in the ME..
<2> regardless how ****ty the status quo is there in most cases
<0> Cry:Is that what you think we're doing now, keeping peace?
<1> CryHavoc: you want peace in the middle east? give it all to israel
<0> We're there to get oil
<4> Nega - no we aren't
<1> has anyone seen rebec the past day or two?
<4> yup yesterday
<7> if we are there for oil.. how come none of ours comes from Iraq?
<0> Kaliuna:Then why are we there? To spread Democracy throughout the region just because we're nice guys with money to burn?
<7> Cry told you why we are there
<7> did you not listen?
<0> I did, but I don't believe
<4> Nega -- Cry told you so did I - were you not paying attention?
<4> Nega -- thats your problem then. You know where the US gets most of its oil?
<2> Nega...to keep the peace...
<5> The muslim world is pissed about Bush's plan for america to become 80% less dependant on arab oil within the next decade
<8> haha the leftists love to scream "no blood for oil" .. then they get into their cars and drive away
<7> well, then not much point in talking about it is there
<4> Comet -- into their SUVs
<2> 20 % of our oil comes from the ME..and it is falling
<0> Cry:You can't tell me that Iraq was a threat to anyone after we'd been bombing them for a decade.
<3> <2> 20 % of our oil comes from the ME..and it is falling <---- GO CANADA!
<2> Mexico and Venezuela and Canada and Nigeria and Alaska and Texas...much more reliable sources
<8> Negatifze America doesn't rob oil. We buy it.
<0> The vacuum that's left seems like it has destablized the region a lot more than just leaving him in there in a weakened state
<7> Negatifze,, all saddam had to do was let the inspectors in unhampered
<8> We pay for our oil.
<2> yes they were a threat..under aegis of what I stated earlier
<6> Negatifze, number one we don't raid countries for their treasure, never have, but that's not something you're aware of and that's a big problem, second, stable Democracy is worth much more than any treasure
<7> vacuum? they have a goverment or did you miss the last 3 elections
<8> All you leftists were screaming the same thing about Kuwait .. we were going to go in and steal there oil. Then when we didn't .. I never head an appology.
<8> apology
<8> heard
<2> also Nega..we took not a DROP of Oil from Iraq all the while sanctions were in place
<5> CB: Why are the arabs complaining that america is robbing them of their oil
<6> Nega, you can buy oil, you can't buy stability
<6> that's your key
<2> the ones doing so are the ones who are the problem
<8> Joachim I haven't heard them complain. Just the leftists.
<0> Janet:Are you kidding? The inspectors weren't given a chance to do their jobs. They asked for more time. WMD's were never the issue, why do we have to pretend like they were?
<8> they get their talking points from leftists here .. so maybe that's where they picked it up
<4> Nega -- 10 yrs - think they had plenty of time
<2> crap...Saddam had no intention of following the Accord
<9> CometBaby, Bush intended to invade Iraq even if Saddam fully disarmed - http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,,1700881,00.html
<7> Negatifze,, and they kept saying.. he will not let us go where we want, ONLY where he says we can.. or did you miss that
<8> The only ones, that I have heard about .. that sold blood for oil .. were the french.
<2> The Guardian??
<9> CryHavoc, President Bush said: "The US was thinking of flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in UN colours. If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach." http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=1661
<6> Nega, are you even unaware that Saddam kicked the inspectors out? are you that unaware of the story?
<2> the one who sent peole in Ohio vote for Kerry literature??
<6> Nega, if you are, there's no point in anybody talking with you about it at all.
<0> Janet:That's BS. We were invading Iraq regardless, I'm convinced of that. Google Project for a new american Century, these are the people running our country now.
<2> glidin.,..bull****
<2> brother...is it an NWO invasion??
<4> Nega - are you totally naive -- or just trolling
<8> glidin. Silly boy .. of course we weren't waiting for a resolution that was never going to come
<5> CB: Many Jihadists are saying that america is cufrrently stealing oil from iraq
<7> Negatifze, as I said no point in talking to you, your mind is made of and facts are irrelevant
<6> Kali, he's totally ignorant of any of the facts.
<1> Joachim_: then why are the gas prices so high?
<1> Joachim_: huh?
<2> janetB people like him hate facts..
<8> The UN had already announced it wasn't going to approve it because the French wouldn't let them. don't' you remember anything?
<6> It's typical and it's also typical that we talk with him because he's all we've got.
<2> and Russia too
<10> glidin: that source doesn't say what you claim it says. were you here the other night as jaca?
<0> I am not trolling, and if I am wrong I am wrong, I'm here to learn.
<2> Nega..you also may want to research what "Accord" means
<8> Joachim .. well you get your news from Jihaddists? LOL. Now how is that for reliability.
<8> hahahha
<4> Jett -- no kidding a little sheeple person lead around by nose in ring - from places like Soros runs
<2> you were given the relevant facts
<6> good ircer, Negatifze
<5> rcane: http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010053.php
<6> Kali, gotta appreciate Nega's motivation.
<2> Kalinua...sheepls are amusing...
<8> Joachim .. don't come here to debate the Jihaadist pov. I will ban you.
<4> Jett -- well ya I suppose
<6> heh
<4> Cry -- fun to play with too
<8> Joachim_ .consider yourself warned.
<2> the fundie mujihadeen have no foot on which to stand
<0> I guess it boils down to who you believe, right? Can we ever know the truth, or will we only know what they rell us, or rather which sources we choose to trust?
<8> Joachim_ don't come here and cite Democratic Underground either :)
<9> We should pull out of Iraq now that elections have been held, it is costing us six billion dollars and a dozen or so lives a month to stay there
<2> Joachim...if she does not..others may :)
<8> you are citing loony tunes stuff
<4> Nega -- I have a long file list about Saddam, about WMDS, about UN sanctions, and all the m*** murders -- ya know all the bodies in those m*** graves
<2> glidin right....
<2> then there will be a Sunni bloodbath...
<4> Nega and about his terrorist training camps as well
<11> what is the total we have spent on Iraq?
<2> then Iraqs and IRan's Shi'a join up
<6> Negatifze, there's a Teaching Company course offered called, "Argumentation"...it's one of their big courses, but it teaches how you can tell who to believe
<0> Kaliuna:We're not in Iraq for humanitarian reasons, let's just agree on that first of all
<12> funny how the crazy **** is usually touted by 2-3 nicks never seen before that particular day
<1> Joachim_: I asked you a question
<4> Nega -- nope -- you'd be totally wrong to think even THAT
<9> Suicide bomb attacks in Iraq have averaged at least one per day since the announcement of a new government in April, according to data gathered by the US military <--Bringing instability to Iraq, my tax dollars at work!
<6> who-to-believe is the secret, isn't it
<1> Joachim_: don't give me a link, just answer :)
<9> the people that pay for the iraqi war, the taxpayers, are not the same ones that rake in the profits, the oil companies & defense contractors. the war could cost $1trillion for all they care. theyre not the ones paying it
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