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<0> sandB wtf do you expect in DC? it's 93% liberal vote
<1> and sometimes the fines for doing so cost them less than hiring them
<2> sandb nuthin like seeing you on here makes my day for ***holes
<3> sandB, thats funny, I heard lots of people cheering myself
<4> bud`, yeah thats why
<0> and a real ****hole
<5> thats silly
<1> but its true
<5> that means the regulations for hireing people are too strict
<4> `426Hemi, you hear a lot of things
<5> normal american people, legallh
<1> no.. it means that normal american people expect things like benefits
<1> by hiring illegals they are basically skirting legal capitalism
<5> if by "legal capitalism" you mean free market then i disagree
<0> Im sure Cheney enjoyed being in the liberal ****hole ghetto as much as he enjoys his cardiac incidents
<1> who cares what cheney thinks :P
<1> he is just a vice president
<1> he doesnt even do his job well
<1> which is to not make the news and be invisible
<1> haha
<5> if the market is so restricted that doing things illegaly increases your profits considerably, then its not a very free market
<4> bud`, wow. it does not get much more american then 45K+ sports fans at a baseball game. Write it off however you like.
<0> I bet they'd all cheer for their coke snorting corrupt douchebag mayor lol
<1> the market is restricted by the people fire... they are skirting the rules of the market by hiring people who are from an entirely different cl***
<1> and dont expect the same things who are already in the market do
<1> they are cheating :P
<1> and they are cheating us
<4> republicans are going down in November and I'm sure the republican congress got the point that Bush and Cheney are toxic
<1> you are basically arguing for one side of the market and saying the other side should have no say
<0> flashback to 04
<0> keep it up sandB =P
<4> again it does not get much more american then 40K sports fans at a base ball game
<1> workers ARE a part of the market
<5> +fonebone: who decided what the rules are doesnt really refute the fact that the market isnt very free
<1> and by using workers who are outside of your givin market is cheating imo
<5> but you could call them criminals, it being the law and all
<1> its not just the laws such as minimum wage... the people of the market wont work for the low wages anyways
<1> so they are not paying what they should be by market standards
<1> well.. its very convinient to only believe in laws you think are right fireclasw
<0> has Iceland ever formally apologized for Bjork?
<1> heh
<1> bjork is hillarious
<1> what is there to apologize for?
<1> :P
<1> she is one of the 20th centuries greatest comedians
<0> !
<1> man.. that time she beat the crap outa that reporter
<1> comedy gold
<0> lol, never heard of that
<0> was he making fun of her swan outfit
<1> no... that was the best part
<1> the chick just asked her a normal question
<1> and bjork went all insane
<5> got the video clip ? :o
<0> wonder if its on youtube
<0> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlQMqDZx4jk&search=bjork%20reporter
<0> there it is
<0> WTF!
<5> "<+fonebone> well.. its very convinient to only believe in laws you think are right fireclasw" im not doing that, im advocating a different set of rules and saying how they would work better
<6> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration publicly ***erted that two trailers captured by U.S. troops in Iraq in May 2003 were mobile "biological laboratories" even after U.S. intelligence officials had evidence that it was not true, The Washington Post reported on Wednesday.
<5> or, why this set doesnt work
<6> Bush caught in an outright lie
<1> what should the rules be?
<6> On May 29, 2003, President George W. Bush hailed the capture of the trailers, declaring "We have found the weapons of m*** destruction."
<6> But a Pentagon-sponsored fact-finding mission had already concluded that the trailers had nothing to do with biological weapons
<1> that anytime americans wont work for what employers want to pay we allow them to import new cheap labor?
<0> jimco wow, you want a whole repeat of the same debate you had a few hours ago?
<5> remove the minimum wage law for instance
<1> people that are willing to have horrible standards of living and really compete unfairly with the legal american workforce?
<6> just incase anyone missed it
<6> Bush lied
<5> allow "renting" mexican workers for periods of time
<7> jimco : Intelligent ***esments or Mine ***esements was right they were made for Making Weapons but could have been used for making other things.
<5> look
<6> The experts say otherwise
<1> ok fine... but dont allow the illegals to break housing code laws.. make the employers pay the same taxes they have to pay on all other americans
<6> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12275328/
<6> great article on it
<1> dont let them have an unfair advantage over the existing workforce
<5> hireing 1 mexican guy for almost no pay would 1. benefit him, or he wouldnt have taken the job and 2. produce something of value to the american business since otherwise they wouldnt have hired him
<7> jimco : you are argueing with one of the experts **** News Articles.
<6> you were not over in iraq inspecting these trailers.. sorry
<1> the american business would have hired someone else... they wouldnt have made as much profit
<7> jimco : don't have to be.
<5> true
<5> and they wouldnt be able to lower their prices on that product
<7> jimco : Fertilizer making and Weapons making goes hand in hand.
<5> thus artificially keeping the prices higher than they are
<1> its not artificial
<5> thats an opinion
<1> employees are part of the market
<8> Biden announced hes running for president
<8> I like Joe Biden
<1> you are basically wanting to take the employee part out
<8> he seems like he can unite people
<5> if you call the system "capitalism" then its artificial, since that implies a FREE market
<1> and say that employers should be able to pay anything they want
<6> these trailers had nothing to do with fertilizer making
<6> Bush lied
<1> regardless of what the market will bear
<5> this similar to in the case of sugar and steel markets btw, by restricting foreign trade you increase the domestic prices at the cost of the consumer
<1> its absolutly true that prices will be hire
<1> but fine.. people are getting paid more
<5> no see
<1> i dont think its similar at all
<5> theres always plenty of companies making near to 0 profit after all debts are payed
<7> jimco : you don't know jack.
<1> basically what you want.. is everytime the market gets to the point that you have to pay your market employees more, you want to import impovrished people to offset the balance
<6> Bush did one of two things, he lied, or ignored intelligence reports.
<6> what is worse
<5> this change just might make the difference for them
<1> which is unfair to the people who are the market
<1> you dont care about fairness in any way... you want more profit for a select few
<1> honestly.. if corporations are breaking even and staying up in the stock market i dont feel too badly for them :P
<5> "everytime the market gets to the point that you have to pay your market employees more" thats constantly fluctuating due to supply and demand
<1> right...
<1> supply and demand of the employees who are part of the market
<5> fonebone, ***ume you have a business which is breaking even, then the politicians increase the minimum wage, what will you do ?
<1> its not about minimum wage
<1> most crap jobs that are hiring legals are paying more than minimum wage anyways
<5> but i am making an arguement about minimum wage
<1> i dont think that minimum wage has much to do with the illegal immigrant issue
<5> i agree with that
<1> as far as minimum wage.. i dont really care one way or another
<5> its just a drop in the ocean of the taxes, rules and regulations
<0> the thing is, whenever minimum wage goes up, all wages typically go up to match. If you have 30 workers making min wage and 100 workers making $10, well they are gonna want a raise also
<5> bud and if that happens in a company that is breaking even, they either have to fire people or go out of business
<1> one good thing i can see from minimum wage is it protects the older population a bit
<0> Fireclaw right, it's a job killer
<5> who suffers? the people who have the worst paying jobs
<1> from high school kids who would work for less.. cause they dont really need the money :P
<1> haha
<5> and marginal businesses
<1> i dont think you can use the people not having jobs because of minimum wage as an argument when our jobless rate is basically nill
<0> I really dont know anybody who's worked min wage, ever
<1> i have bud
<1> in high school
<1> haha
<1> just talk to your local grocery sacker
<1> i can almost gurantee he is making minimum wage
<1> but he also has 0 skills
<0> even taco bell.. **** they pay pretty phat for a mindless job. even give you tuition ***istance, and if you get into management you could start pulling $60k salary + bennies + profit
<9> I used to be a grocery sacker. Even then I earned more than minimum wage.
<1> yeah... fast food is a ****ty job though.. i have no problem with those people demanding more pay
<9> Fact is most grocery sackers are unionized
<10> good morning
<1> yeah.. thats true
<1> not in right to work states though
<5> "i have no problem with those people demanding more pay" then let them demand more pay from their employers
<5> not the STATE
<9> That's one of the reason unions are doing everything they can to hobble Wal-Mart
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