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<0> what are the stances of the demopublicans and republicrats on the immigration issue? i havent really been paying attention
<1> when the europeans arrived they found what Henry Louis Gates Jr. called "a slavery supermarket"
<2> peace keepers not nukes
<3> I find it amusing when small-government free trade conservatives support a 2,000 mile militarized wall to keep people from bringing their dangerous labor in
<4> katey: well, we can tell easily their advancement in knowledge, science, etc.. or rather, lack of advancement
<5> Oax: as long as the GOP has Fr33Trade's, we're fine
<1> the europeans were the last to know, after asians and arabs
<0> theyre both for "legalizing" those that are already here ?
<0> or just one or neither or :P
<6> S-Fidelis, read Thomas Packenham's "The Scramble for Africa"...or "King Leopold's Ghost"...or "The Boer War"...I can provide you with additional sources and monograpsh other than an encyclopedia entry if you're really interested...
<4> s-fid: yea, alot of people who push for "slave reparations" here, ignore.. that slavery of other tribesman were already common, and in fact, many european slave ships bought slaves from the coastal princes
<7> bellhaven well he's reasonable anyhow. i guess that's what confuses them
<8> Fireclaw_ it's all split, even many hispanic immigrants here dont want amnesty.
<1> harksaw: double fences well inside the USA border would be more economical and effective cf. www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/04/we_need_a_wall.html
<0> o_O really
<2> enforce the laws on the books... problem solved
<1> fences are a lot cheaper to put up and easier to repair than walls
<5> Oax: hey I'm all for it, I hope he keeps it up:)
<9> realclearpolitics is a right-wing propaganda site
<7> let's build the double fence up this side of texas
<8> yes, legal immigrants who are here and working already, many of them dont want this amnesty
<0> guest46: make only laws that are enforceable, problem solved :P
<2> a fence is a waste of money
<8> usa today of all papers had the story on the hispanic split yesterday
<1> td- is an ignorance-contaminated zone
<10> good evening
<5> he is?
<10> (or something)
<5> realclearpolitics is a right wing site
<5> is it not
<5> ?
<2> cut off the jobs they'll stop coming
<8> i dont think ive ever been to it
<10> is it ok to recommend urls?
<4> "amnesty" should be taken off the table, as well as forced expulsion of every illegal. Once we stop with those strawman arguements.. we can come to a rational consensous
<9> cut off the jobs and they'll jump on social ***istance or crime
<7> bellhaven they like to think of it as "in touch with real americans" ie moderate. like freerepublic
<3> I think fining employers of illegal immigrants would be the most cost-effective solution
<8> gic if you don't mind being ridiculed sure
<0> so what are the politicians likely to do ? i mean like in the case of farmers theres no reason for them to end subsidies, while for bush theres all the reason in the world to start a war against a weak enemy. neither of which is necessarily the will of the people. so what will they do with the immigration issue
<7> bellhaven it's everyone else who is far far far left
<1> I don't care what "wing" any site is, when I see good information I hold onto it
<0> whats the major group having a political impact? the hispanic voters? and what do they want
<1> what kind of stalinist idiots are you with your forbidden reading list?
<11> a backlash is what the politicos fear. but it could occur
<11> this "march" was so well orchastrated
<1> stalinist cum vatican DON'T READ THAT lists
<8> Fireclaw_ Bush was pushing for an immigration guest worker program, with the ability to earn citizenship, YEARS ago
<10> www.democracynow.org (gr***root news on the wars, often 2-3 weeks ahead of regular polished media),
<8> gic, yes, that site will get you ridiculed
<9> http://news.yahoo.com is the best place for news
<1> pilgrim`" well, yeah, they're between global trade conferences, you see, they go where there's some chance of fomenting street actions
<10> and then ofcourse www.chomsky.info and www.chomsky-torrents.org
<12> hey all. Ize back.. hmm My favorite topic ;)
<0> well i know you dont got it now, bud. did the research for personal reasons, basically i can work there for 2 years then be deported
<4> pilgrim: indeed.. but the media doesn't seem to be investigating WHO is organizing it
<11> I think there is a simple solution: SS number check at the payroll office
<12> In fact Bush ran openly on this immigration issue in 2000 and 2004.
<12> It was a major part of his platform and he never hid it
<4> Fr33t: yep
<8> Fireclaw_ whats your profession?
<10> bud`, you seem friendly.. :/
<0> comp sci
<0> programmer :P
<7> pilgrim` RFID tags in your forehead!
<12> I think everyone has to compromise.
<12> Thats ultimately the only solution..
<8> gic: this is a political channel. of course people here are going to be familiar with sites like that, and the lunatics behind them
<0> i asked a representative of that router producer, whatitsname....
<12> And as for a split in the hispanic community thats not new, thats old.
<1> black and decker? *duck*
<0> thats such a great company name ^^
<10> bud`, so everyone is a lunatic
<12> The only way to p*** this law is to couple it with a strong border protection program, thats the political reality
<4> bud: of course, without clueless schmucks blindly regurgitating what their freshman communist professor told them... it wouldn't be so lively and entertaining :-)
<8> Fireclaw_ so you can come here and work for 2 years, and if the employer decides to sponsor you.. you still get kicked out?
<11> Free the fact. the immutable fact is, US citizens do not like people who wave Mex flags demanding rights and using economic extortion as a measn of furthering demands. and the US does nto react well to these shows of stupidity. we react rather ugly
<1> LOL Lupine
<1> correct, too
<12> Pilgrim, I like them
<12> You know why ?
<12> because i know them
<12> And most of them mean no disrespect to america.
<4> pilgrim: i can't ****ing believe INS isn't there
<2> bs
<11> Free I know that were I to do somethign illegal I go to jail. that is the way it works
<6> ah well..far too much time wasted today...cheers kids
<4> we have sobriety checkpoints on new years even.. should have INS checkpoints at the protests
<12> They are proud of Mexico and they love the USA
<0> Cisco was the company, they had a 2 year trainee program in silicon valley then theyd employ me locally (in norway), all because the permit for working there 2 years is possible while a permanent one is nearly impossible
<2> 58%of mexicans think the south west is rightfully theres
<10> Fireclaw_, so, how about those backdoors
<13> the closet mexiphobes are coming out of the woodwork
<11> Guest and a large % of idiots think the world is flat
<4> guest: tell that to the aztech's.. oh wait..
<4> mexiphobes? bwahaha
<0> gic: feel free to tell me about them :P
<8> Fireclaw_ all they have to do is sponsor you..... hell my dads been here in USA off and on for 40 years now, and he's not a citizen..
<10> Fireclaw_, echelon support? :)
<11> the SW is American and I can site treaty
<12> They made a point yesterday to bring only US Flags to show they do love america and they do. most of them only want to work. Nothing more.. They dont want to take california back.. Thats all minority radical crap..And even if they wanted to, they couldnt so its a false argument and yet it is one of many
<2> 49% of voters
<11> we PAID Mexico for it
<0> echelon ? o_O
<4> fr33: if they truly loved america, they wouldn't have had to be told like school children
<10> fireclaw, ill fetch you some urls, brb
<4> pil: of course, mexico of today, isn't mexico of then.. and hell, isn't the rightful/legitament original owners :-)
<13> Its the invasion of the brown people!
<10> Fireclaw_, Echelon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
<12> Lupine, no they didnt understand the reaction and they were infiltrated by a lot of americans.
<12> A lot of the more radical ones are american citizens and even white. european descent
<11> Lupine the pre Aztec (Aztec are decended from anasasi aka Americans) zapotec and Miztecs?
<1> Fr33Trade: total opportunists
<2> they arent respecting the laws now . what makes you think they will respect new laws
<14> oh man
<4> pil: right, i just find it ignorant yet hilarious for spanish-mexicans to claim the southwest is rightfully theirs
<0> gic uh yea thats what i remember echelon being, but whats your point, whats it got to do with a work permit ?
<14> to hear FoxNews report it, there were no boos at all
<12> To many windows open.
<14> that's funny
<13> they are respecting the laws, just not the ones governing immigration
<10> Fireclaw_, Hardcoded UserName/P***word backdoor on Cisco: http://www.security.nnov.ru/news3589.html
<12> Yes they are opportunists like all of us
<12> They are looking for an opportunity to make good money
<2> admiratable
<0> yea :P usually only from a local port though
<12> And who can blame them
<3> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map_of_Mexico_1847.jpg I did not know this
<4> wire: which mean,s they are not respecting the laws. they are respecting SOME laws
<1> Fr33Trade: I meant specifically white radicals fomenting, infiltrating, exploiting demonstrations
<2> and laws on tax,insurence and soc sec
<7> gic wow august 2004. you get the 0-day =)
<12> l0c0, Maybe the report you saw was from a different angle which had more boos, I mean who the hell knows, Maybe the mixer at CBS or wherever upped the volume on the boos and maybe fox lowered the mix
<7> or is that april
<1> politically opportunist demogogues who idle between actions, leeching off their friends, welfare, generous clueless liberals, etc
<10> Oax, lol, jupp :)
<12> To make a statment like that l0c0 is beneath you.
<8> gic why are you worried about the USA sigint programs so much, when gchq.gov.uk has been ****ing in all global communications for decades, particularly in your area of the earth
<13> its erroneous to think they won't respect peace laws just because they ignore immigration laws
<1> in between opportunities to make a mess as in Seattle, G8, etc
<13> they have shown they are peaceful through peaceful demonstrations
<10> bud`, well, im worried of all those activities
<8> gic why, are you trafficking child pron?
<7> harksaw wow if mexico and canada could be one again
<10> bud`, no, but i care to fart as i please
<1> LOL Oax
<0> wasnt there another scandal recently about the NSA and at&t
<15> I'd like to vote in Mexican elections myself.
<1> without this inconvenient Canada|Mexico buffer zone called the USA
<12> These are not the leftists who were in seattle. or anywhere else.
<2> how about that they dont want to learn english or contribute to american way of life
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