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Comments:
<0> why shouldnt they be held to it?
<1> bmc: because the politicians will pander to them
<2> but we need CONTROL of entry
<0> so what? even with a guest worker program
<0> they should be held accountable
<0> you cant just look the other way
<3> Why cant we all just get along open the border let us go there and buy property we will fix mexico the old fahsond way
<0> what does that say to everyone else
<1> And they'll vote communist, just like in Mexico.
<2> guest worker prg gives too many opportunities for a filthy pol to cheat
<4> Sweet - its illegal to "buy land" in Mexico-- unles you are mexican
<5> And we will talk ****, the politicians will be forced into a compromise becasuse the gop doesnt have enough spare votes where they can afford to alienate a people, We did it with blacks, before they they voted republican all the time, but we were stupid as a party, We didnt fight for them and the right way, the non welfare state way, the stable family way.
<1> Cryolas: They imported >1M people to force down the wages in my field with a guest worker program
<3> I know we need Fair border corssing we cross and buy they cross and buy fair is fair
<5> And we will lose power again if my party is stupid again. Too bad there are not enough libertarians in my party like me.
<1> Imagine what it would do to the plumbers if they imported 1M of them
<2> jhicks..why I am against that...
<4> Fr33Trade and why aren't we hearing MORE from the black community? they have a higher unemployment rate now -- got that on news today
<1> Or the electricians
<1> Or the LAWYERS
<2> I want open controlled immigration as well
<1> HEY! THERE'S AN IDEA!
<5> Kaliuna, Beleive what you want, but those who dont work in the black community will not work tommorrow.
<4> Cry -- yes -- LEGAL - immigration, not illegal
<4> Fr33Trade - am just giving you the stats that were put out today...
<1> Kaliuna: We've got too many people to continue the immigration policies of the 1880's
<5> What ? YOu want me to crawl down there and wwhat ? **** this.. I aint doing this **** work, YOu crawl your white *** down there in the muck and get it
<5> Blacks who want to work, are working.
<0> if they cant come to agreement on immigration reform, then put it on the shelf for now, and concentrate on border security
<3> Do away with welfare people will work rather than starve
<5> We have full employment in the usa
<0> that should be delt with irregardless
<5> 4.7% employment is full employment
<2> yes Kali
<1> Kaliuna: Not to say that immigrants haven't contributed greatly.
<2> patch the bucket...and control the flow of water
<1> Kaliuna: but this theater is full.
<5> Blacks can say all they want
<1> oil $69 bbl
<6> i snuck up and pushed over britney's baby
<5> They dont get up and do the jobs when we have shortages
<2> remorafish
<1> redfish: GOOD JOB!
<5> so what makes you think they will now ?
<5> Blacks who want to work, already are working.
<4> jhicks -- they have contributed - they have also contributed to heavy losses in $$$ in hospitals, in schools and education costs
<1> Kaliuna: yeah
<2> yes...edu costs
<5> Sadly too many blacks are products of the criminals justice system or welfare system thanks to white liberal leftwingers.
<0> are illegal aliens eligible for scholarships and what not?
<1> Kaliuna: I mean the productive ones.
<7> Fr33Trade what about the millions of immigrants, like my father, 40+ years here paying taxes.. why is nobody offering him ****?
<2> and don't forget law enforcement expenditures
<0> could be stealing oppurtunity right out of the hands of an american citizen
<4> jhicks - yes productive ones are great
<5> And they dont have a culture of work, in the ghetto.
<7> Fr33Trade answer pls
<4> Cry -- oh I have a long list besides these
<2> bud...he was stupid...he came here legally :)
<1> Kaliuna: but we don't have room for many more without our standard of living declining.
<5> WEhich is why the southeast asians and the Mexcicans climb up the financial ladder quicker than any group right now.
<7> jesus...
<2> jhicks...actually, we do
<5> I lived in the ghetto and I lived in a Mexican Barrio.
<2> TX has a lot of room
<1> Cryolas: that's mexico though
<4> jhicks -- oh we DO have room, but for what? more welfare?
<5> Some of them I would of liked to stamp with my feet anf mail them ome
<2> TX is not Mexico lol
<5> home
<0> Texico
<5> but 90% were great people.
<7> Fr33Trade answer pls
<1> Kaliuna: Atlanta is too crowded, Raleigh NC too crowded
<0> id like to move to western NC
<0> deep in the mountains
<0> :P
<2> I like it here in FL
<1> Kaliuna: Don't even ask about the Bay Area
<2> they could moive to NV
<1> WAY too crowded
<2> MT
<2> ND
<5> Attack the problem not the people, Noone should be scamming food stamps or any other programs..
<2> SD
<4> jhicks -- I know --
<8> Wh***up w/the topc?
<8> err topic
<0> securing the border is attacking the problem
<5> Cryolas shouldnt be on welfare.
<0> but nobody seems to be keen on that idea
<5> The topic means I am a Republican who suports the cause of mexicans who want to live and work in america.
<5> Thats what it means.
<1> bmc: What people really want are near slaves.
<1> work for a pittance
<0> even if you dont handle the current number of illegals in the country
<1> live in squalor
<0> why wouldnt you shut off the flow of new ones?
<5> Yeah $10 an hour is slavery ?
<1> practically
<6> here is a video of some guy going to a girls only high school getting all of the girls he sees to sign a petition to end womens suffrage : http://www.wimp.com/suffrage/
<5> When was the last time you were in ones house ?
<5> BEcause I am all the time
<2> Ft...lol i am not on welfare
<5> So stop lying
<1> Yesterday actually.
<7> Fr33Trade why are you only about mexicans? If you care to actually debate why dont you answer my questions?
<5> Cryolas, Im just throwing things out there like you are
<0> $10/hr is enough to live cheaply on
<8> Soy un americano que apoya a trabajadores espaoles legales de la inmigracin y de husped
<2> not I
<0> just barely
<5> bud, I have debated you for weeks
<8> legal immigrants and guest works
<9> if you really want to get rid of the illegal immigrants fine any company that hires them and offer jail time
<7> Fr33Trade you havent answered a single question of mine about this issue for days now.
<2> FT..you do not seem to want the base problem addressed...our porous border
<9> but that will never happen because our corporations want the cheap labor
<5> Cryolas, **** yourself
<5> This is what I get sick of.
<7> ....
<10> Fr33Trade: So what should be done about the 20 million illegal aliens (and growing and multiplying each and every day) ? America has let this problem go on for way too long
<0> we should be able to draft a bill on border security without it being dependent on immigration reform
<5> Every single time I have talked about this issue i have said over and over again.. TIGHTEN THE BORDER TIGHTER THAN A ****ING DRUM
<11> IMHO: if the pourous boarder is not solved first.. there will never be a real solution, it will be the same god damn thing, over and over
<5> As part of the comprehensive program
<5> I have always said that
<0> why wont they let that happen?
<4> Fr33Trade -- come now -- you must realize we all have opinions based on what WE are familiar with -- just as you do -- its respect for what EACH is familiar with...
<5> Every single time I have talked about this issue i have said over and over again.. TIGHTEN THE BORDER TIGHTER THAN A ****ING DRUM
<11> fr33: if it is part of a program, it wont be done. that's my $$$$
<0> they all but said outright they wont let it happen
<10> The border is too long
<5> Yet people seem to be deaf
<11> tighten the border first. period. otherwise, we're just burning money
<12> pilgrim pointed out the other day thaWhat has made this such a hot topic lately? And why are two southern republican senators from states that don't have a high illegal immigrant population even sponsoring the bills?
<5> all they hear me saying is lets not destroy the US Economy
<0> we could p*** border security legislation now
<10> Would you erect an electrified Wall between the US and mexico ?
<3> Why cant we put the military on the boarder other countries do
<0> and maybe try tackling immigration reform next year
<5> Lets not destroy the republican party
<5> Get some ****ing hearing aids if you dont hear what I am saying.
<13> yeah re-invent it
<5> Once more
<9> its destroying the economy now ft, american workers are getting hosed
<5> Every single time I have talked about this issue i have said over and over again.. TIGHTEN THE BORDER TIGHTER THAN A ****ING DRUM
<14> anarchy
<7> Fr33Trade my question to you is, why do you, nor any politician, give a flying **** about the millions of people like my dad, europeans and others, who have been here on green cards paying taxes and designing and building your military planes and defense systems? Why does nobody offer them a single ****ing thing while you and ted kennedy want to bend over backwards for one certain type of person?
<15> I am going to become an independant
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