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<0> Lithium-, no, you said they were to the Right of Republicans fiscally, a falsehood.
<1> TheTailor: i never said dems are perfect, its just that GOP is currently much worse than dems ever were
<2> Lithium: The Bush/current congress has spend more on social programs that help the poor/working cl***. I find that highly objectionable.
<3> define worse?
<4> WASHINGTON - The government has abruptly ended an inquiry into the warrantless eavesdropping program because the National Security Agency refused to grant Justice Department lawyers the necessary security clearance to probe the matter.
<0> Lithium-, well that is also a falsehood.
<1> TheTailor: again, i refer you to the current budget/debt
<2> nov: i notice you did not credit which reporter had that opinion
<0> Lithium-, again I refer you to % of GDP
<1> Lupine: they also funded a ****load of pork barrel projects, gave tax cuts to oil companies, lowered taxed during wartime, etc
<4> i'm sorry, its an AP article
<1> TheTailor: ok, what percent of the GDP is the currect debt and what was it in 1980?
<0> Lithium-, try google.
<1> TheTailor: you refered to it, you back it up
<1> provide hard numbers please
<4> from MSNBC, i do daily stats on other papers which have published the same article
<2> According to a study by USA Today, social programs account for more than half the federal spending. It also accounts for over THREE QUARTERS of total federal government spending increases
<5> goddamn socialism
<2> all the spending incrases, 3/4 of it went to help the poor/working poor/etc.
<2> which means we are getting *DOUBLE ****ED*
<0> Lithium-, I don't do research for you, I don't know the numbers but from what I understand it's always been 3-4%.
<1> TheTailor: well, wrong, look it up
<5> Lupine: dont be disheartend, Bush knows what he's doing
<2> not only is the GOP spending taxpayers money to help the poor.. the democrats turn aaround and claim that bush "only helps the rich and companies"
<0> Lithium-, how do you know what I've been told is wrong?
<2> personally, i wish it was a federal law: the next time some media person claims that Bush's policies "help the rich".. you can shove a baseball bat up their bung.
<5> Lupine; think about the good things Bush is doing and not the bad
<1> TheTailor: because the GDP did not increase by 8 times since 1980
<1> TheTailor: while the debt has
<4> that AP article has been published in at least 25 papers today/last night
<5> like wanting amnesty for 12 million illegal immigrants, he is to be commended for that
<4> 25 papers that i aggregate have it anyway
<6> Some 200,000 guns the US sent to Iraqi security forces may have been smuggled to terrorists, it was feared yesterday. The 99-tonne cache of AK47s was to have been secretly flown out from a US base in Bosnia. But the four planeloads of arms have vanished.
<6> oops
<2> lithium: i agree, we could wipe out 3/4 of the spending increases by returning social spending and programs to the poor to clinton-level spending
<1> Lupine: do you have that article's URL?
<1> i wanna see which programs account for the supposed 3/4ths increase
<2> http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-03-13-federal-entitlements_x.htm
<2> Spending on these social programs was $1.3 trillion in 2005, up an inflation-adjusted 22% since 2000 and accounting for more than half of federal spending. Enrollment growth was responsible for three-fourths of the spending increase, according to USA TODAY's analysis of federal enrollment and spending data. Higher benefits accounted for the rest.
<2> brb
<0> Lithium-, the point is you lied when you said Democrats are more fiscally responsible, they both ****, one isn't better trhan another.
<5> blazini: oops is right.. im reading the article too .. http://tinyurl.com/oges8
<7> except the democrats aren't spying on you
<2> tailor: well.. at least Kennedy cut some taxes.. but not sure about any other democratic presidents
<4> so why aren't we talking about operation brownstone?
<2> boing: eh? sure they are. ever heard of carnivore?
<8> boingb, uhhh, these are all laws that were p***ed under Clinton
<8> NEXT!
<8> and supported by nancy pelosi
<1> TheTailor: um, i demonstrated that GOP is worse, but you can keep spinning
<4> the 2 homo *** rings that Porter Goss is in trouble for
<8> warrantless searches, roving wiretaps?
<8> all were done under Clinton's RICO laws'
<0> Lithium-, there isn't any spinning when I say they both ****, you simply lied saying one is better than another.
<7> i hate them both, but right now the repubs are in charge and responsible for things
<4> polisi is a bush shill
<4> peolosi
<4> pelosi damn i can't type
<1> Lupine: it doesnt say in that article that the programs' growth is responsible for 3/4ths of the total budget growth
<1> TheTailor: oh so they're EXACTLY equal?
<0> Lithium-, yep, they both **** when it comes to spending.
<1> TheTailor: "****" is not a very good measure. Can you back it up with some numbers maybe?
<4> i have access to lots of good budget information, is there some information you guys are looking for?
<7> and the republicans have bigger lies resulting in more evil stuff baanced against the do nothing democrats
<8> hahahahah
<0> Lithium-, sure, if they are in deficit, they ****.
<8> so its completely wrong for Bush to use the laws that are available to him to stop terrorist strikes like that which happened on 9/11?
<4> one of my good friends is a budget reporter, another of them gives seminars to lobbyists on how the budget process works
<8> Niiiiiiice
<9> 10:52:12 11/05/2006 LOG
<8> the hypocricy is awesome
<1> TheTailor: so if i am $10 in debt, and you're $10000 in debt, we both "****" and therefore are both equally bad fiscally?
<7> `426Hemi: no, but it's wrong to manipulate and misrepresent the law
<8> HAHAHHA
<8> no one is manipulating the law or misrepresenting ****
<8> in fact i would ask you to show me how its being manipulated or misrepresented?
<4> i have a domain i want to unload to some democrats
<0> Lithium-, that isn't the case, but if you are in red ink, yes, you ****.
<4> blueamericancentury.com/org/net
<7> `426Hemi: many law proffessors disagree
<8> boing and many others agree
<8> including the supreme court
<8> so i geuss your law professors are ****ed
<1> TheTailor: well, the republicans used a lot more red ink, therefore i claim they're worse
<7> the supreme court hasn't adress the nsa debacle, so i don't know where you are getting your 'facts'
<1> `426Hemi: when did the supreme court have a say about this?
<8> the supreme court has so
<4> did you guys see that many of the professors/deans/etc.. are getting ******inated in iraq
<7> lol, when?
<8> so has the guy lawyer who wrote the law
<4> ~500 in the last month
<1> `426Hemi: cite case
<0> Lithium-, no, because they don't, they both spend into great debt, and Johnson allowed the raiding of social security.
<8> RICO laws and intelligence gathering has been brought before the supreme court in a few mafia cases
<7> `426Hemi: you believe too many republican lies
<8> uhh.....
<1> TheTailor: again, add up how much reagan/bush/bush presidencies borrowed and how much carter/clinton borrowed
<7> `426Hemi: like alberto gonzolas 'hypothetical' lies
<8> the lawyer who wrote the damn law that JIMMY CARTER signed says Bush has used his authority judiciously and legally
<1> the ratio is like......8:1
<10> thanks
<8> snowman!
<0> Lithium-, the economy grows every year, comparing today with last year isn't accurate.
<7> `426Hemi: you're fighting a loosing battle ... i guess you are the 32% percent backwash
<8> hows Fred?
<10> good heh
<8> boing unless you can debate facts
<0> Lithium-, that's why we use % of GDP
<8> i would suggest you stay away from insulting me personally
<1> TheTailor: you can factor in GDP growth and inflation if you wish
<10> the market is doing well today
<1> TheTailor: i asked you for the % of GDP numbers, you still didnt provide any
<10> you have to be an idiot not to be in this market right now
<8> snowman i haven't even looked at it
<7> i gave you facts, and in return you made up some 'truthiness'. you just contradicted yourself
<0> Lithium-, sure, and you will find that both parties equaly **** at overspending, one isn't better than another as you falsely claim.
<10> `426Hemi: My portfoilo is already up 12% in 3 days
<8> you have not given one fact
<0> Lithium-, I'm not going to provice any, look them up yourself.
<8> and now are on ignore for being to stupid to debate such
<6> is the economy growing or the dollar shrinking?
<0> err, provide that is
<10> `426Hemi: I've been trading a lot of precious resources stocks... making a boat load doing it
<7> yes i did. fact: the supreme court has not heard a case related to the nsa spying program
<1> TheTailor: i give you numbers and and in response you still claim they;re equal while not backing it up with any numbers of your own
<8> snowman, niiiice
<8> as i keep saying
<8> BE careful!
<10> yup
<10> did I talk to you beofre?
<8> you may have
<2> FISA Court of Review [ upheld by USSC ] "The Truong court, as did all the other courts to have decided the issue, held that the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information. . . . We take for granted that the President does have that authority"
<0> Lithium-, you didn't give anything accurate and whatever it was, you don't prove your point, one party is no better than another as you claim.
<8> i must say i am surprised by gold and oil a bit
<11> lol
<8> i sold off my oil last week
<8> i think i made a mistake
<10> nymex oil is at 71/barrel
<10> or it was
<2> read that again folks: the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information.
<8> the speculators are using ANY excuse to buy in
<1> TheTailor: i dont think its possible to prove to you that the GOP is incompetent, so im just gonna stop trying
<2> the court system has already ruled in favor of Bush on this warrantless wiretaps
<8> Snowman i have been tugging with myself all day wether to buy back in before it gets much higher
<8> i sold off when it was 73
<12> lets see what the elections hold.
<0> Lithium-, you can't prove that to me or anyone else.
<10> `426Hemi: yeah I'd wait for it to go down a bit
<2> Lithium: the GOP has alot of problems. Such as their m***ive spending on social programs to help the poor.
<10> `426Hemi: I bought mine at ~67
<8> snowman well i am wondering if it WILL go down
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