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<0> hah, yeh some republican
<1> did you know china has a LOT of reserve in the amercian dollar?
<0> a RINO
<0> as Comet says
<2> drugrel8d: yes, because they keep buying up our debt
<1> wrong ace
<2> ...
<3> Lithium, I dont really care for hillary, bush is just to stupid for me and chenney, well he is definetly the **** of the group. I tend to lean center of left on social issue and tend the lean more right on fiscal issues.
<4> 426Hemi, youre actually going to vote for Hiliary?
<0> surfer, Get her out of my state! vote Hillary in 2008!
<0> hehehhehe
<2> Y_D: makes sense, except that nowdays the democrats seem to be right of the republicans on fiscal issues
<0> MrRod, conveniently dropped the rest of my statement out of the topic
<2> actually republicans arent being fiscally left, they're just being fiscally stupid
<0> I'd rather have her as president than senator or my state
<4> blah
<0> =)
<0> hahahahha
<3> lithium, I got off my *** and did something with my life, that means anyone with a little moxy and savy and do the same thing
<5> hehe illegal immigration advocates are trying to get legal residents that live in the US to apply for their citizenship so they can vote
<3> can do the same thing
<2> Y_D: of course, this is america, whats your point
<3> Lithium, proably none
<3> probably none
<6> Lithium-, how are Democrats right of the Republicans on fiscal issues? Are you telling us Dems are pro tax cuts now?
<2> TheTailor: they dont want to borrow and spend.
<7> Anyone have a link to Iran's letter?
<6> Lithium-, when didn't they borrow and spend?
<2> TheTailor: which is the most irresponsible kind of fiscal policy
<2> TheTailor: the dems used to tax and spend, sure. It still beats borrowing and spending
<2> that just ends up costing more money in the end
<3> repub are deficet spending, isnt that the same as borrowing and spending. they are borrowing from our future revenue
<6> Lithium-, well no, they did both.
<2> since eventually people will have to be taxed to pay that AND the interest
<8> we should just raise taxes by 8,000,000% and we'll all be filthy rich!
<2> Y_D: exactly
<2> TheTailor: most of the national debt was accumulated during reagan/bush/bush
<9> LOL zaw
<2> the budget was balanced under clinton...then Dubya came
<6> The balanced budget came from a Republican congress
<2> try to take the credit all you want
<2> aint gonna happen
<6> Clinton just signed it, he really couldn't do otherwise
<6> Lithium-, it's already happened
<2> clinton was pushing hard for the balanced budget and used his line item veto all the time to keep the spending down
<2> whereas bush refuses to veto any drunken spending bill
<3> clinton initiated much of the budget measures and congress helped impliment them
<6> Spending to excess happens in both parties, always has.
<2> TheTailor: but apparently it is at its worst when GOP controls the congress and the presidency
<2> what does that tell ya?
<3> if the budget is balanced and you still have some fat, isnt that a good thing
<6> Lithium-, you should read about Tip O'Niell
<10> Floyd Patterson just died
<10> :>[
<2> TheTailor: what about him?
<6> Lithium-, or Johnson's "Great Society", you know, where Johnson gave the congress permission to raid social security.
<2> TheTailor: you're trying to defend the current GOP by comparing them to a democrat president from 40 years ago?
<6> Lithium-, I'm not defending anyone, I'm pointing out to you that you have blinders on, Democrats held the congress for 30 years and never baleanced a budget, all the while they spent the social security funds on buying votes with dole (welfare).
<2> TheTailor: was budget was in check until reagan's time
<0> The Tailor yeh i love that
<0> give working people a tax break and its "Evil republicans"
<6> Lithium-, well no, it wasn't.
<2> TheTailor: um, look at the national debt before reagan
<0> Bush sent me 300$ and a tax break
<0> somehow thats BAD though
<6> Lithium-, you leave out the fact that government grows with poulation, as timegoes by numbers always get bigger.
<2> `426Hemi: yes it IS bad, because later you or your children will have to pay that $300 back PLUS the interest on it
<2> TheTailor: the population did not increase 8-fold since 1980
<6> Lithium-, the national debt is all our social security money, that a Democratic president alloes to be spent to buy votes, through dole in the form of welfare.
<2> TheTailor: sorry, bad logic
<6> Lithium-, face facts, Johnson allowed the spending of the trust.
<0> Tailor, shall we mention these are mostly able bodied people who are ABLE to work in some capacity?
<6> Lithium-, so answer the original question, when did a Democratic congress not have deficit spending?
<2> TheTailor: not spending of it, buying treasury notes with the money from the trust
<6> Lithium-, yes, replace the money with paper :-)
<6> Lithium-, so now, instead of letting our social security trust contain the money, it's full of notes to build Johnson's "great society"
<2> TheTailor: it is the same thing as selling the tnotes to china
<2> except the money stays in the US
<6> Lithium-, well no, if the money was there China wouldn't be buying the notes, not that I care if the
<2> and SS gets to collect interest on it
<6> Chinese hold paper
<0> uhh
<0> America owns the majority of its debt
<2> chinese hold tbills
<11> had another dentist appt. today, another $450 :P
<6> Lithium-, but that isn't the case
<0> Japan owns the second most
<2> `426Hemi: yes, and social security owns a large chunk of it, and collects interest on it
<0> China owns the 3rd
<6> Lithium-, so answer the original question, when did a Democratic congress not have deficit spending?
<2> TheTailor: http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm
<0> only 22.7% of our total debt is foreign held
<6> Lithium-, that's not an answer to the question
<2> Look at the debt until reagan took office
<2> thats when it started skyrocketting
<6> Lithium-, when did a Democratic congress not have deficit spending?
<2> before it wasnt a problem
<6> Lithium-, the debt is what? 3-4% of GDP? That's what it was all along
<6> Lithium-, when did a Democratic congress not have deficit spending?
<11> the total national debt is $8.4B and congress voted to increase that to $9B, id wager there will be another increase soon
<11> er
<11> $.84T
<11> grr $8.4T
<12> k
<11> and $9T also.
<2> TheTailor: in 1980 the GDP was 8 times small than it is today?
<12> hmm
<6> Lithium-, when did a Democratic congress not have deficit spending?
<12> look at the gdp
<12> TheTailor they did
<12> TheTailor clinton did
<6> Lithium-, you are spinning, answer the question.
<12> Lithium- when did the dems have no defecit spending in congress
<6> gopp, that wasn't a Democratic congress
<2> lol
<12> TheTailor well it republican
<12> and we had no defecit for one year
<6> Lithium-, was "lol" the answer?
<2> TheTailor: again, there were small deficits until 1980
<2> they werent a significant issue
<12> Lithium- small
<12> Lithium- please
<6> Lithium-, again, that's not an answer to the question.
<6> Lithium-, when did a Democratic congress not have deficit spending?
<12> Lithium- we have a 13 trillion ecomony
<2> TheTailor: oh it is
<2> TheTailor: you can spin it any way you want
<6> Lithium-, just answer the question.
<12> Lithium- did democarts not have a defecit in the 70's and record level inflation
<2> TheTailor: again, you can try to spin it any way you want, the fact remains that with the current GOP president and congress, we have the most fiscally unsound policy ever
<12> Lithium- wrong
<2> we keep hitting record deficits
<12> Lithium- we have job growth
<12> Lithium- we have a great gdp
<2> gopp: when did we not have growth?
<12> and we have a 13 trilllion and if not
<6> Lithium-, how am I spinning when asking you to answer a simple question, one that you avoid at every turn, THAT is spinning on your part.
<6> Lithium-, when did a Democratic congress not have deficit spending?
<12> higher budget
<2> gopp: yea, which we shouldnt have
<12> and we have a 13 trilllion ecomony
<13> http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm
<12> Lithium- if not higher
<6> Lithium-, maybe if I underline it?
<2> gopp: and an 8 trillion debt
<6> Bold?
<2> TheTailor: that question is irrelevant
<6> Lithium-, when did a Democratic congress not have deficit spending?
<14> oh boy, so i can't wait to see people apologizing for the 2 NSA stories today
<12> Lithium- during carter we have les jobs
<2> so im not gonna answer it
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