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<0> OSXS
<1> osx is ****
<2> The competition of microsoft forced macintosh to become what it is today, A great computer. when 5 years ago or so it was looking at Bankruptcy
<3> no its **** the mother ****ing ****tards...mother ****ers
<0> and a smoking hole in wallet
<2> Apple almost went out of existance
<4> osx is ***y
<5> trev!
<2> and did a remarkable reversal to become a viable company again.
<0> the Ipod is what saved Apple
<6> ebbtepid they had to pay off their Paypal or get a bad makrk on eBay?
<6> Cry uh no
<6> the iMac did
<7> sup asp
<8> FreeTrade, is that because Macintosh became a bettery system or because they improved their marketing ?
<9> Mac took the GUI, mouse, and several other things from Xerox PARC, but that was Xerox's fault - the idiots at the top of Xerox had no clue as to what PARC invented and they refused to even bother patenting it. Hence, Apple picked up what was in the public domaine.



<0> rond sounds like Southpark movie....
<1> apples are for dum***es
<5> 'nutting much, g.
<6> I knwo becasue I watched their stocks closely
<4> it's funny. Every time i've asked someone what their problem with osx is they respond with problems with APPLE as a company
<4> nothing about the os
<10> ... Nuthin like a Mac vs. Win discussion to remind you that religion is alive and well. :)
<4> the most common one in the world is
<0> Espectro...thats enough
<11> pil: well, I just loved how apple managed to take a $2000 intel computer, and have it run slower than a $299 Dell runnign XP :-)
<4> 'THE ONE BUTTON MOUSE!'
<3> Cry :)
<4> where if you connect a 3 button usb mouse
<4> hey
<4> what do ya know
<4> it works!
<3> Cry ever seen Blue Velvet ?
<5> anyone know where i can get vpc?
<6> Lupine from a tech perspective, YES they are over priced and over engineered slow boats
<6> so?
<12> I've got a mighty mouse
<0> What CPUs were Macs using b4..ansd why did they switch??
<8> Apple users are usually pretty devoted, in my experience
<2> No I cant tell you about all the technological things, Buy I can describe the economic benefits and the capitalistic forces in play which give us today great Maintosh products, Great Microsoft products.. And neither would be near as good as it is today without the other.
<6> Cry 68k then the PPC60N
<11> suna: why did we not switch over to it? because apple used a non-fully compliant PCI-X controller, and OS-X install disk would have a kernal panic with a card simply being plugged into the slot.
<0> Trackman Marble FX 4 button here
<3> Cry ever seen Blue Velvet ?
<0> Lupine,...ahhh
<0> THe flick??
<4> there ya go, good reason
<13> CryHavoc - PowerPC, heat issues, slow engineering cycle
<6> Lupine Endian issues and yep as compliant as M$ implementation of html
<2> This is what competition is about in a free market system and I think is one of the best examples of free market capitalism that exists since McDonalds, Which i can tell you thier complete and total buisness plan to.
<3> yeah
<11> katey: well, except for apple users so pissed off at apple they burned all their apple software, and kicked the computer out
<4> i've heard complaints about the pci controller before
<3> Dennis hopper
<1> apple wanted cpu's that wouldn't melt laptop cases
<11> pil: naw, it wasn't an endian issue.. had to do with the controller chip on the motherboards of the G5
<0> Lupines info is more interesting....Closed PCI-X interface.....bad bad Ifruit
<6> thing is the Intel chip is only marginally cooler
<2> OSX is such a great operating system because of Microsoft, and guess what else... LINUX!
<11> the PCI card would work find in a G4 with OS-X.. or on a G5 running OS9
<0> Closed Archie usually spells doom
<6> Lupine btw. imho the G5 design ****s
<2> The growth of linux forced it to adapt some to linux users.
<0> <6> Lupine btw. imho the G5 design ****s
<6> and I own one
<11> Cry: right
<4> I do know that for some reason many advanced astro programs are written for macos.
<4> and not windows
<11> pil: yea.. i mean it has alot of benefits for workstation or server purposes.. but it aint that viable to base your entire desktop strategy on
<4> 90% of people in an astronomy department at a university will be using macs.
<0> remember MCA...RIMM and...TWAIN
<6> Cry I am not a Apple partisan, I am in favor of what works. In SOME areas Apple does, in others, Microsoft has done SOME thigns right
<0> suna...for what?
<11> trying to turn a Powerchip into a cheap/flexible/viable desktop
<0> Number crunching...doubt it
<4> i'm not sure why



<1> well evidently the astronomy ppl are clueless
<2> I praise the god I dont believe in for that sappy liberal billionarie Bill Gates
<2> :)
<0> graphics? hrmm WIndows can hold its own against Mac in that area
<2> Actually he is more of the bleeding heart liberal than the leftist type liberal.
<6> I would love a stack of G5 blades thoguh
<0> GRIMMY YE HAVE TO ADMIT..wINDOWS DOES WORK :)
<11> esp: for those programs where they can take advantage of the G5 PPC architecture.. they'ld be a hell of alot better using a Power5 to begin with
<2> Graphics ?
<2> Today ?
<3> [18:07] <+pilgrim`> I work in techncal support. If the world used annother system, less people like me would have work
<3> [18:07] <+pilgrim`> Microsoft makes me the money to buy cool Macs
<2> Mac or apple take your pick neither is better
<0> Windows can hold its own now
<2> 10 years ago ? MAC won hands down.
<0> I agree
<3> <6> Lupine btw. imho the G5 design ****s
<6> Cry why? I work with it every day, HELL I AM ON IT RIGHT NOW. and, I fix its foibales all the time.
<3> Huh ?
<11> for me.. WinNT4.0 was about even, and Win2K blew it away
<0> Macs started to lose real ground when WIndows 2000 came out
<1> mac has always been way less versatile
<6> the G5 Desktop tower case design
<13> FreeTrade - 10 years ago the Mac was prettier and easier to use but the MacOS prior to OSX ****ed like a hoover
<0> NT4 was User Hostile
<6> btw, Apple died in 1993
<2> Pilgrim which probably drives you nuts just as when my brother calls me to fix his MAC it drives me nuts!
<2> hehehe
<6> I remeber Dvorak's article
<6> in 1996
<4> espectro: Well, that's what apple administration wants....it doesn't really reflect the operating system
<6> I rememebr the Computerworld prediction
<0> Lupine..this you will find interesting...
<6> in 1999
<11> yea well, apple is turing into a sony, and not a computer company. IMHO
<6> in 2000
<2> I consider microsofts triumph over Apple, A triumph of Capitalism
<4> apple wanted expensive proprietary hardware + money for any development
<6> last year
<0> sis got a CIS degree...
<6> now
<2> And Market forces.
<4> bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
<4> beb
<0> useless to her in the workplace..
<4> brb
<1> heck if one thinks they are l337 buy a sparc or something
<2> Suna yep
<0> why? She had a Mac for 16 years
<6> APple is DOOMED
<1> macs are anything but l337
<6> I was a PC bigot till around 1999
<2> Today its all personal preference.
<0> Ican use a Mac if needed..a PC is a PC
<6> then I read Lisa Lee's book on Mac Maintanance
<11> pil: actually, Apple as a computer company was doomed.. they should be very happy that Jobs forced them to expand out
<6> its about 1200 pages of tech stuff
<0> brb
<2> and I dont believe ANY OS (With the exception of a few which are barely known) is better than any other.
<2> Its like a tailored suit.
<2> Which is better for you.
<6> I started repairing older 68k based Macs then
<11> FT: oh hell ya.. any that does not support multi processors, multi tasking, no memory protection, etc
<6> and I was struck by the elegance of the design
<2> The tight brown one with the bow tie ? Or the blue pin stripe with the red and blue tie ?
<6> having played with just a few X86 motherboards in my day...
<11> FT: OS 7/8/9 to me, is like a suit without any crotch.. it's all wide open, hanging out
<3> lol
<11> pil: i tend to hate closed bios/openfirmware on MB's
<2> Or maybe you are a lady and prefer a nice dress ;) Although I am a feminist I wish they would eliminate dresses and women would are pants :)
<11> OS7/8/9 any app can come along and rape the OS and shut it down
<6> Lupine depends. and I sort of understand the why of it
<11> how about the G4 "upgrade" that intentionally made superior memory stop working? ugh, we go tboned HARD on that one
<2> You might be a linux man from balls to brain.. Or maybe a Free BSD man, Or a Mac man, or a Microsoft man..


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