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<0> I'm retired and get to play a lot
<1> Carious me too
<2> and a few slavic tribes
<1> I am not retired but usually play twice a week
<0> :)
<3> the Turks as the Ottoman Empire invaded Europe twice..
<1> Any first Tee programs there ?
<0> I try to avoid the weekends
<3> first time they got to gates of Vienna
<1> me too
<3> part II, they got their ***es kicked
<0> no 1st tee that I am aware of
<4> plays five days a week! hehehehe
<1> :(
<2> CH: eh, they held most of S.E. Europe for 400 years almost
<3> This is for the Golfers here :)
<4> oh oh....
<2> from about 1400 to 1800
<3> www.naughtyballs.com
<1> I have seen those lol
<0> I'll look Cry
<3> Timur..until the 1600s
<1> http://www.pirategolf.com/ <--- A relatives of mine
<3> it was kinda like The last Samurai in a way....lol
<1> Great logo
<3> the first time the troops met the samurai...they were chooped apart..
<2> CH: no, Greece, what later became Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania were all under Ottoman rule until the 19th century.
<3> but a year later...harsh disciline told a different story
<1> http://www.pirategolf.com/tg/toplessgolf.htm <-- this is pretty good too
<4> when I was first married my wife washed my balls alot, now she just busts them!
<2> the 1600s was just their final expansion, not their retreat
<3> Timur..beg to differ..Austria-Hungary came to be in the 1700s
<1> 1600's ****ed... no golf
<5> TomM--, thanks for sharing. :)
<6> in the traps i use a tennis racket
<4> Katey ooops :)
<2> ok, Hungary was an exception. but not the rest.
<3> 1600s was their last hurrah...
<2> the rest weren't free until after 1830
<0> thanks cry-gives me some ideas
<6> how do you say Hoorah in Turkey?
<3> the Habsburgs smashed them down and out of most of that area by th late 1700s....
<6> Gobble! Gobble! Gobble!
<2> CH: and that was the limit of Hapsburg expansion for a while
<7> Austria-Hungary didn't come into existence until the founding of the Dual Monarchy...in the 1860s..prior to that it was just Austria
<4> Rusty take another toke!
<3> concrete proof that a m*** of screaming fundies stands not a chance against a disciplined secular army
<2> except for their manipulations in Croatia and Hungary
<2> DeD: right! bravo.
<6> TomM, you ***ume to much
<3> Frederick of Prussia is to thank in large part
<7> Freddy the Great?
<8> I would have hated the 1600's instant genealogy would have got you killed.
<2> but it was still the same territory
<7> word was he was a pooftah!
<2> Tim: it still does, in many places
<3> yes
<6> i wouldn't have like the 16th just cause there was no hot showers
<3> he was the first to whip together something resembling a modern army
<3> his basic training kiled some that went through it...
<3> but the end result was a group of robots who could quickly act on orders..
<6> Cry, believe it or not, that happens in todays armies
<6> even in the USA
<3> the Ottomans got some nasty surprises
<9> damn, every freaking server i try i get lagged to hell and back
<3> when they attacked Fredericks armies..they were mowed down
<3> he also invented the rolling enfilade...
<2> the first real professional army was France's
<10> hah
<3> 6-8 rows of marching men..first rank fires weapons then falls to rear to reload..
<4> Timur and how did that work out? :)
<2> Tom: in the 1600s? good enough to make it the most powerful state in Western Europe
<3> Timur...based on Fredericks doctrine..
<3> it worked out better for the Prussians
<2> er..no, the French army preceded Frederick.
<3> they were a more martial culture
<2> right, because they had to be
<2> also had crappy food
<2> :)
<3> they did nothing like what he did with his troops
<9> by about a century
<3> Frederick was in the 1600s
<2> late 1600s
<9> no he wasnt
<2> wait early 1700s
<9> 1700s
<3> France did not precede him by a century...
<2> no, but so what
<2> either way they preceded him
<3> France did not come into its real power until the 1600s
<9> yes they did
<3> I disagree wholeheartedly on that...
<9> by the time Frederick was born...Louis XIV had already made France the dominant power in Europe
<3> France never had to directly fight the Ottoman Empire...
<2> right
<2> neither did Prussia
<2> so what? :)
<2> France was still.. the most powerful country in Europe at the time
<3> The Prussians wound up doing so...
<8> France had the Frederick Thames my rich French Ancestors but not royalty.
<2> which is kind of the point.
<2> or, at least, my point
<3> and Pax Europa was not until the late 1700s
<9> 1815
<3> or at earliest 1700
<2> haha
<9> after Bonaparte
<3> Britain flexed its muscle before then..but yes..the 1800s was Europes time
<2> Britain already dominated the seas
<2> by then
<3> yes
<11> 4 democrats were convicted today of vandalism
<2> esp after Trafalgar
<2> tag! you're it
<3> but it was the 1800s when Europe reigned supreme in most cases
<3> panini anyone of note??
<12> England had Europe in a half Nelson
<11> CryHavoc: no, just regular democrats
<12> 1914 was directly a result of the LONG PEACE
<3> oh ****..Mamalukes!!!
<6> someone needs to shoot that stupid like Geico lizard now
<3> run Timur run!!!
<12> and that is why we shoudl truely fear the next major war
<3> grimmy yes
<13> `426Hemi: I like the GEICO lizard.
<6> you would=P
<3> WW I can be traced back to the treaty of 1815......which set stage for WW I
<11> MrRod: you should be at work
<9> only partially
<3> I studied it...
<9> the unravelling of the treaty by revolution and war played a more important role
<3> the treaty signed then all but guaranteed another mn***ive showdown...
<9> 1848 revolution in particular
<3> all the necessary ingredients were there....
<9> then the reunification of Germany
<3> it needed only one more...
<3> Industrialization
<11> CryHavoc: 100 years is a long time
<12> and the Revolution of 1850
<9> and Germany's replacement of Austria as the dominant central european power
<12> the Paris Comune
<14> CryHavoc: Any time you have competing empires in close proximity, you can pretty much place a bet on them coming into conflict - WW1 was fairly predictable, treaties not withstanding
<3> panini it is all interlinked..I studied it in detail..
<2> CH: lol
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