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Comments:
<0> jhicks, only one uses sugar/starch products...a plant in Iowa of all places...
<1> Fireclaw_: it'll hurt meth sales!
<2> Fr33Trade the protest was arranged where the u.s. flag wavers were put up front
<3> jhicks thats true
<3> and itll also hurt corrupt cops and street gangs
<3> ohnoes
<1> darn
<1> can't have that can we?
<3> we need to protect that industry ! :P
<1> exactly
<3> i have an idea
<1> k
<3> we could legalize, but SUBSIDIZE the criminals that used to benefit from it
<3> :P
<4> wow
<4> why didn't i think of that
<1> Fireclaw_: you know, that might just fly in DC
<3> yea ^^
<4> you'd have to package it right
<1> only if there are kickbacks
<4> "Anti Crime Legislation"
<3> thats what they did on the steel market :P
<3> well not exactly but yea
<4> jhicks, just think, you could finally outlaw crime
<5> Ethanol is made by fermenting and then distilling starch and sugar crops -- maize, sorghum, potatoes, wheat, sugar-cane, cornstalks, fruit and vegetable waste.
<1> DarthBurg: you draft the law, i'll push it through
<1> Fr33Trade: kenapf
<4> jhicks, oh you need a better wordsmith than I
<1> (sp?_
<5> This is the tradtional way, There is no getting around it they do use sugar for making ethanol, what quanity doesnt matter it is a subsidy.
<1> methanol then
<5> In fact they plan on using more sugar.
<0> um..sugars are already present in most grains...
<3> http://images.cafepress.com/product/45880423_240x240_F.jpg
<4> ther eis no way I could write a sentence with out actually saying something, I'd never last as a legislature
<4> or
<1> Fr33Trade: Hemp then!
<0> starches are converted to sugars during the distilling process...just like in whiskey making
<1> no sugar needed
<5> Which was what I was alluding to because its a deal with the government which pays the sugargrowers and allows more foreign sugar access to out markets.
<5> Thats the political part
<1> o i c
<4> guys, sugar is hard on engines, mmmmmmkay?
<5> It may not be the wise part in fact thats the point of my argument.
<6> hemp is a multi-use fiber
<3> starch is easily made into sugar if i remember high school chemistry right :P
<1> hemp is good
<6> would make sense for the US to grow it
<4> hemp is life
<2> i'm sticking with LPG. ya'll can wast money on hybrids and **** that'll obsolete itself every few years
<1> grow it EVERYWHERE
<5> They are goign to buy MORE Sugar to make enthanol, for the sole purpose of making CAFTA nations able to sell sugar in america.
<0> adding sugar to the production of corn based ethanol would be unnecessary...
<3> no more gr*** lawns :P
<1> even in Rebec's rose garden!
<3> lets make them "gr***" lawns
<1> hemp lawns!
<0> Fireclaw_, you remember well :)
<4> you could grow some killer hemp in afganistan, and they need a cash crop
<1> it's such a pretty plant
<5> When what they should do is they should just deregulate sugar and let the goddamn sugar growers grow a new crop or go out of business.
<1> Fr33Trade: amen
<3> yeap, that would be the "free trade" way of doing it ^^
<1> Fr33Trade: we're all too fat anyway
<4> "Is that son of mine mowing the lawn AGAIN?"
<1> NO MORE SNICKERS
<7> DarthBurg they have a cash crop, poppys
<3> jhicks: well what he says would necessarily make sugar cheaper
<4> wiretapp no no, they outlawed that ya know.
<5> It is the artificial propping up of obsoleye or non competitive buisness which was the whole intent of my explanation why Free trade works even though it enevitably harms people, in this case the sugar growers.
<3> if not they wouldnt go out of business
<5> And the solution is not to promise to buy their sugar for ethanol as our government has proposed.
<6> http://fornits.com/curiosity/hemp/biom***a.htm
<1> Fr33Trade: like i said. just like welfare.
<4> biom***a!
<7> DarthBurg meanwhile production reaches record amounts
<4> i like that
<3> i wonder if its possible to make sugar free chocolate o_O (like the light kind, not the dark )
<3> probably tastes awful
<4> wiretapp shhhhhh dammit!
<5> Thats Bad, and Bush is proposing it because he cant beat off the sugar and farm lobby they are too damn powerful in DC>
<6> HEMP IS THE NUMBER ONE biom*** producer on planet earth: 10 tons per acre in approximately four months. It is a woody plant containing 77% cellulose. Wood produces 60% cellulose.
<8> blech
<1> bmc: yep
<8> i hate that banks can hold your money hostage
<4> fonebone thats why you become your own bank.
<1> bmc: where wood takes much longer
<8> well
<4> hen you can **** with other people's money
<5> I have been a vocal advocate of ending farm subsidies for decades.
<8> i deposited a large amount of money
<8> and they are like
<5> Ive been against it since i was 13
<8> we have to hold it till next week
<8> which im sure its government mandated
<4> fonebone what have i told you about two party checks
<8> cause of the gay war on drugs and the gay war on terror
<5> While I was educating myself on politics and watching firing line and billbuckley and reading national review and Playboy (Back then believe it or not it covered politics a lot, especially the new Libertarian movement which is no longer new.
<1> Fr33Trade: Did you know that the Rural Electrification Corporation is still on the govt dole?
<5> And watching PBS News hour becuase they actually had debate.
<5> Jhicks, Yep
<5> Another absurdity..
<8> and im sure they still get to draw interest on the money
<8> hehe
<5> When subsidies go people are going to be hurt
<1> woah, wrong. it got whacked in 1994
<1> sorry.
<4> fonebone it must be a new account or something.
<8> no
<5> But ask yourself this why do a few people have the right to harm the whole nation ?
<8> its just a much larger amount than i usually put in darth
<5> Same is true with textile manugfacture, its insane to do in America.
<1> Fr33Trade: because we're irretrievably corrupt :(
<4> fonebone, yeah I deal with big amounts my self, I got all the girls at the bank trained now tho.
<5> Do it in mexico and pay $5 an hour and more might stay.
<8> i just think its gay
<8> i was sposed to buy a motorcycle from a buy tommorow
<4> you think they are touchy about big deposits, try making a big withdrawl
<8> now i have to tell him i have to wait till monday
<3> freetrade they dont, the reason why we get absurd laws subsidizing certain industries is because the industries and their lobbies care, while noone else cares about the slight difference it makes in a govt that spends 9385792857 trillion anyway
<5> Jhicks, indeed we are, even to the level of people trying to block walgreens from entering their market.
<1> well
<5> Or walmart
<4> WalMart!
<4> itsa buz word ya know
<5> Its all about denying consumer the best prices so a few people can preserve their jobs.
<8> how is that corrupt free?
<3> theres no anti-farm subsidizing lobby
<8> isnt that democracy?
<5> Now I think people working for walgreens should be paid better but thats the free market.
<1> Fr33Trade: But Wal-Mart deserves it for the way they leave dilapidapted old buildings around
<1> Fr33Trade: They're bad citizens
<4> fonebone yes, which is why democracy is to be avoided like the plague
<8> haha
<3> fonebone, heard the story of the two wolves and a sheep who voted abotu what to have for dinner ?
<5> Its up to them to consider both the social effect on how people think of them and the value of their goods which help poor peoples money go further.
<8> i unno man.. pure capitalism is just as evil
<4> ask yourself, would you vote to cut your own pay?
<5> Same with home depot, If they want to get into my business COnstruction, Fine...
<8> the company becomes more important than the individual
<0> remember the title of an article.."The town that Wal-Mart killed twice"...several years old now...but still timely
<8> which is bull****
<8> people are more important than money
<5> Its a free market, i will have to compete with home depot
<5> and i can
<5> Because I am a niche contractor.
<1> Fr33Trade: I *did* manage to find an american-made mop in Wal-Mart however!
<8> thats why id be just as likely to tell a rich man to go to hell as a poor man
<8> :P
<5> I do specialty custom and or very complex projects.
<4> pure capitalism at least provides a level playing field. Rags to riches stories are common in america.
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