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Comments:
<0> ignoring law is ignoring are quality of life and future freedoms
<0> our rather
<1> we CANNOT do amnesty without sealing the border
<2> gold spot price: $600.05 !!!
<1> to do that is suicide
<3> no amnesty
<4> I don't even favor amnesty -- it's not necessary from our POV and it sets a bad precedent
<5> and the soventry of this country
<3> equal application of law
<1> look at what happened in 1986, when we did amnesty last time. people rushed across the border in far greater numbers afterwards than before.
<4> what does America gain by granting blanket amnesty ?
<6> I am never going to #usa again
<1> nothing.
<5> nothing
<3> theyre trying to do the same thing this time
<3> pull a bait and switch
<4> it gains us nothing....
<0> US-Male: gains nothing, slits it's own throat
<3> the house bills were window dressing, the real bill will be nothing but amnesty
<7> Well this is working.. What I dont like though is it depends on two systems and programs for recovery, But the data can always be recovered from the DVDs if needed bad enough.
<3> they will not address border security
<3> we need to vote these people out of office
<4> we can leave people "illegal", or we can make some "roadmap to legality" for them
<8> bmc: You can call it what you want, but you aren't going to get a Soviet-style m***-expulsion of 11 million people from America. It's just not politically feasible even if it were moral.
<7> I should just go ahead with this.
<9> LOL I love how Lou Dobbs bashes politicians in general no matter what party they are
<7> bbl
<10> Freed0m: ***uming the DVD's don't deteriorate by the time you use them
<4> if we create some "roadmap to legality" then it it purely out of our good graces -- we do not "owe" people this
<10> Pickle: not politically feasible for who?
<1> i don't care what happens with the 11 million illegal immigrants. if we have to forgive them for political expediency that's okay i guess. but WE HAVE TO STOP MORE FROM COMING or we just might as well let every pissant loser from the whole world come over.
<0> it would have to be very hitler-esque to even be pulled off
<4> there is a problem with a sense of entitlement people have about the USA
<7> Its breaking up the ghost segments into its own segments..
<8> IamKing: Not politically feasible, period. Any bill proposing such a barbarism would die on the floor.
<4> "free ****" -- even our own citizens feel this
<3> Pickle doesnt have to be, itll be a slow weeding out process, probably take 10 years to remove them all, but in the end, we would remove most of them
<7> Its worth the back up but its a pain in the ***.
<7> bbiab
<11> US: i believe *strongly* that the application should require them swearing that they admit they broke the law, and that they were illegal. Redemption does not happen without acknowledgement of sin/guilty
<10> Pickle: well, that much is probably true...we have Senators not representing their constituents :P
<3> house bill p***ed
<4> Lupine: yes documented admission of guilt would need to be part of it
<8> bmc: Your "slow" pogrom isn't going to happen either. You aren't going to make it a felony to give an illegal a means of supporting his felony.
<4> and a penatly
<3> its pretty strict
<0> Lupine: I strongly agree with that
<3> Pickle sure we are
<1> i agree with that also
<1> they must admit guilt
<11> US: but, it won't happen, as we must be "sensitive" to their "feelings"
<0> Lupine: would you force admittance before killing/deporting?
<8> bmc: Good luck with that. Only a minority of Republicans even support such a thing.
<1> or they get nothing / deported
<3> minority?
<3> hah
<4> there needs to be a penalty..... such as a fine
<8> Yes.
<8> As demonstrated in the Senate.
<1> castration
<12> Anyone else watching Canada Russia '72
<12> ?
<4> fine + documented admission of guilt, & probation
<0> chemical no less
<12> Pickle?
<3> frists proposal still has it a misdameanor
<11> PREDICTION #1 there will be no requirement for anyone applying for Amnesty/whatever to admit they commited a wrong, or were in this nation illegally
<8> And even if a majority of Republicans favoured it, it would be filibustered and rightly so.
<1> the idea that they can sneak over here and have kids here as "anchor babies" is morally repulsive
<1> it has to be stopped
<11> US: but that will NEVER happen
<8> Herzen: Nope
<4> and, it should not be offered to people who broke other laws while here illegally
<4> Lupine it could happen -- some might call that "easy"
<3> Pickle and those that do will lose their seats
<13> good morning chatter pals
<3> not a problem
<11> US: we;ll allow child molesters to stay along with the hard workers...
<8> So let's deal with reality: the purge of those 11 million people isn't going to happen.
<4> lol
<3> they dont get to decide, the american people do
<3> the american people want them held accountable
<3> end of story.
<8> That means there are two choices: do nothing or legitimize their presence somehow.
<4> Lupine: let's deport all our child molesters to Mexico
<14> bmc: I agree with you
<8> bmc: No, the American people don't get to decide. Their elected representatives do.
<11> Pickle: why should we legitimize those who are not productive members of society?
<11> why should those who are drug addicts, be legitimized?
<11> why should those who commit violent crimes, be legitimized?
<8> bmc: And enough of their elected representatives are willing to do what it takes to prevent that act of barbarism that it will not happen.
<4> we can offer a "semi-tough" roadmap to legality -- those who do not come forward, can stay illegal.
<11> why should those who lie/cheat/steal on social programs.. be legitimized?
<4> come forward, get a chance
<4> stay in the shadows, stay illegal
<8> Lupine: We aren't talking about legitimizing those people. A guest worker program would obviously not be of any use to them.
<14> Lupine: now there's a can of worms
<11> US: absolutely, for it to _work_ would require a major crackdown, both illegals AND employers
<3> Pickle the people decide, as they elect the representatives, then they get to decide if he is properly representing them
<6> how many mexicans sneak their way into Panama?
<3> if they arent, they dont keep their job
<3> its a fairly simple process
<4> Lupine: yeah and first of course.... control the border
<10> But the poll's biggest shocker may be on the question of deporting illegals back to their native country, an option that politicians and the press say is out of the question. Time found, however, that 47 percent of those surveyed actually favor deporting "all illegal immigrants," and 49 percent were opposed.
<10> Most, 51 percent, said the U.S. would be "better of" if all illegals were deported and the border sealed to prevent any more from coming in. Just 38 percent disagreed.
<10> A full 75 percent say illegals should be denied government supplied health care and food stamps, with 21 percent saying they should get those benefits. A majority, 69 percent, say illegals shouldn't be allowed to get U.S. drivers licenses.
<4> but we all agree on that
<8> bmc: Their elected representatives aren't permitting the purge you want, though--that's the point. And there's no sign that that's going to change. America isn't becoming a Nazi state any time soon, as far as I can tell.
<11> US: but our leaders only in word agree on it, not in deed
<3> Pickle thats why i said they would pay for it come election time
<4> true
<14> I can't imagine going to another country and demanding rights to health care, food stamps, and other basic citizenship rights
<4> when I SEE the border controlled I will believe it
<15> the US is a lot of things but it isn't fascist
<4> poltiicans are too slimy on this issue
<8> bmc: At election time the Republicans are going to get their ***es kicked and be replaced by Democrats who are even less inclined to enact a m*** purge of people.
<3> the lawmakers know whats at stake
<14> unless I actually became a citizen there and got a job
<3> its more than immigration reform
<11> social services should only be given to citziens. At most, basic immunization services should be given to non legals
<3> its their jobs, their career
<6> The GOV is spending what $300 billion on a war in iraq, but doesn't want to spend any money to actually protect the country and build a wall?
<16> hm... i i am wondering if the people who complain the most about illegal immigrants, aren't illegal themselves
<5> no but it may be good time for a 3rd party
<16> hmmm
<15> a 3rd party? America needs a 2nd party!
<11> rusty: i bet a hell of alot of those in the marches, are
<14> Yankee27: Build a wall where?
<6> **** parties
<6> I never get invited
<15> the Republicrats are two sides of the same corporate politics coin
<6> the mexican AND Canadian borders
<16> hehehe at least they are carrying american flags
<8> bmc: And the reason why the Republicans are going to get ***kicked is because of the hardliners who want the purge that you want. They are sinking their party in November.
<16> THIS time
<14> Yankee27: walls don't work, basic history.
<5> it is a prop rusty
<16> hahaa
<6> a 40 foot wall won't work?
<6> are you nuts?
<5> they said oh we made people mad we will have american flags for you
<16> yes thats it its a prop
<10> mizzy_: technically and historically, they do...when backed up by sufficient military guarding those walls
<16> the first time it was an insult
<11> pickle: well, the US elect tons of morons and idiots, re John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi
<8> As for the will of the American people--show me one single poll supporting the m***-expulsion of 11 million illegals from America.
<3> Pickle the people arent behind the democrats, theyll likely snag a few seats, but they wont get close to 15, the gop will still be in control, it will just be leveled somewhat
<14> Yankee27: hey now, don't get personal.
<16> the second time it wasa peop
<16> peop
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