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<0> Americans dont want amnesty, they dont want open borders, they want tighter border security and enforcement of the laws
<1> lets start prosecuting and back the legal system up for a few hundred years
<0> who cares what anyone else thinks or wants
<0> ****s for them i spose
<2> although it is entirely possible that capitalism will exist for the rest of human history - human existence may prove to be very, very short.
<3> legalize drugs and then start prosecuting illegals
<4> I want those that came here legalls given worker status before illegals
<5> Maybe Americans aren't smart enough to know what's good for them?
<6> JanetB: Who cares what they're demanding? Illegals don't get a say. But it doesn't change the two fundamental choices: keep 11 million people illegal, or make them legal. Because, once again, they aren't going to be leaving any time soon.
<5> ;)
<7> Look: make the work visa contingent on several factors. Then, if they violate them, you can deport them without a trial. That is how drivers licences work in many states. You refuse to take a sobriety check, you surrender your license.
<0> such is life
<3> And who does know what is "good for us"?
<2> the whole thing with the controversy over the immigrants makes me think of the movie gangs of new york
<8> well it's not our responsibility to make people legal
<7> Pickle: false dichotomy. you allow the hard workers become legal. and you do NOT make the parasites legal. You deport them.
<4> yeah and they were registering them to vote here today!
<0> none of the illegals are voters
<7> bmc: sure they are. at least here in florida
<0> a small minority of the protestors are voters
<6> Lupine: Fine. The vast majority aren't going to be leaving, then.
<0> they dont have to answer to the protestors
<9> Well I backed up my entire drive with Save and Restore (Ghost plus new stuff) and the disk I saved for a size less than a DVD disc, and then I find out it wont fit on a dvd because of Disk roots and bull****, So now I am doing a Nero Backup with .08% compression of a Save and Restore Backup...
<9> Its nuts
<0> they do have to answer to the voters
<1> all these cock****er politicians that welcome the illegal votes should be prosecuted too
<2> the personality types who denounced the irish as they were getting off the boats are the same that denounce mexican immigrants today
<7> pickle: well, I can't predict what the percentage breakdown would be. But if they're hard working, productive members.. by all means, let them stay.
<8> we could leave them here, and control the border
<9> So to get this **** back together again if I had a disk failure, I would first have to reinstall Nero
<3> immigrants?
<8> the ones currently here, we can handle-- we are already handling it
<3> you mean mexican Illegal Immigrants.
<9> Then expand these dvds to a hard drive
<7> Free: can't you make a boot-disk?
<9> then install Ghost Plus and then restore the other harddrive.
<6> Lupine: Well, this is the thing: the anti-immigrant crowd say they want legal guest workers, but no amnesty, which makes these 11 million people continue to be illegal.
<4> US-Male, yeah and push the legals back further
<0> nobody is anti-immigrant
<8> JanetB: how does that "oush" anyone in any direction ?
<8> "push"
<0> they are anti ILLEGAL immigrant
<7> pickle: well, amnesty implies no penalties. and I agree, that is morally and ethically wrong
<8> these people are here NOW
<4> Pickle.. amnesty means citizenship remember reagan?
<3> heh, "anti-immigrant" how cute.
<2> legal, illegal, i fail to see what gives the state the right to determine the borders on what is essentially stolen land
<10> Freed0m what i use for that situation is acronis true image, i can boot from a CDR to bare metal, insert my hot-swap backup drive, and it will put everything back the way it was in <20 mins including OS, all partions, software and data
<0> anti-criminal
<9> Lupine, Yeah I can and I plan on it. But Its too bad that the 4.6 disc size save and restore saves to, wont fit on a 4.7 drive, Thats insane.
<0> LunaSlave because they have the power to incarcerate you?
<6> JanetB: No, amnesty doesn't necessarily mean citizenship. Amnesty means we make these people guest workers.
<8> but if legals are "pushed" it's the fault of those who break the law - their own countrymen
<3> Only a farking canuck would mind his nose where it does not and call us: "Xenophobes"
<4> this is not stolen land, az applied to join the union
<1> LunaSlave: bravery and pride does
<9> I need to go bug there tech support, I leftwhile waiting online and when they came on I was gone.
<0> Amnesty means release of liability for breaking the law
<9> bbiab
<7> Free: how are you burning it to a disk? I burn direct to an ISO that fits. Are you first formatting the disk, then copying it over as a seperate file?
<0> anything less than full accountability is amnesty
<1> blood was shed to gain control
<2> yeah but that's argumentum ad baculum - argument by force. it's one of the cl***ic fallacies.
<6> Lupine: That's not what the hardliners like King are saying. They call the plan to make them pay a fine and get in the back of the immigration line while being granted guest worker status "amnesty".
<8> I don't favor "amnesty" in the word's actual meaning
<9> No, YOu mean format the DVD ?
<9> Hmm I did thing about that, Can I do that ?
<2> so what if the state has the right to arrest someone, shoot someone, torture someone, whatever - that doesn't justify the existence of the law itself
<9> If I can write in the sector of the DVDs root it should fit
<7> Free: when you format a disk, it normally will fit less than its full capabiity. as the formatting takes up room
<0> LunaSlave it doesnt have to, its the way it is
<9> Right
<9> Well these DVDs are preformatted or something
<1> no such thing
<9> Maybe I can try reformatting them and they will fit you gave me a great idea to try out.
<8> FT: don't you have Ghost Explorer ?
<2> yeah it's the way it is, but it's not the way it has to be.
<4> it is the way we want it
<9> US, Male no thats the enterprice version if I know what you are talkign about.
<0> well i just hope the politicians keep in mind the protestors arent the ones who will be voting come november
<8> oh
<0> heh
<4> and I want the 14th ammendment ammended
<9> MY issue is getting 4.6 onto a 4.7 dvd disc.
<7> In Nero, the wizard "DVD", "Compile a new DVD", "other DVD format", "create a DVD from an image file", then "finish", then select the image file to backup
<8> check your Programs menu, it might be there
<2> maybe there should be an immigration authority, though. i guess one could make the case for it.
<0> im sure they are aware
<9> Lupine, but its not a iso ?
<9> Ita a single file
<8> FT: see, part of the disk is used to write the file structure, etc.
<2> in which case 100% of the control should go to first nations people.
<9> Yes I realize that
<7> what is the extension?
<9> I need to write over the root of the dvd
<8> you don't really get 4.7 of storage
<9> .v21
<7> US: if you burn nan iso, a .cue a .nrg and a few others.. you get the full amount
<7> as they have the formatting already in it
<8> yeah iso will work
<8> perhaps you can convert the file
<9> Hmm It said it was tryign UDF to make it fit it didnt fit.
<9> but ill play with it a bit..
<9> brb
<7> oh yea.. UDF is formatting it, then trying to put the data in
<9> Need to test a couple of things
<5> bbl... dinnertime
<7> UDF is a random access formatting
<6> "Amnesty" to the hardliners who are killing ANY immigration reform means anything other than deporting 11 million illegals.
<9> ok well I need to strip it of all formatting and rawwrite to the disk, I used to have a program called rawrite
<6> Or forcing them out by turning their employers into felons.
<6> Which amounts to a pogrom.
<0> amnesty means not holding them accountable for breaking the law
<1> which is alright
<6> There. See?
<8> all we really need to do is control the border
<3> we don't need immigration reform. what we need is a wall and enforcement of laws.
<0> its the definition of the word
<1> nothing wrong with pogrom
<8> the issue of current illegals can be dealt with afterwards
<10> i agree
<4> Pickle, they have to be accountable make them pay a 5,000 fine.
<10> seal the border completely ****ing tight
<10> then we'll talk
<8> make them pay a fine
<4> well the border needs to be sealed
<1> it's incidental that the illegals happen to be mexicans
<6> Yankee27: Well, you aren't going to get that. What you might get is a wall and reform of immigration laws to legitimize the presence of the 11 million illegals as guest workers. That's the best compromise your side of the debate can expect.
<8> make them pay a fine but don't waste money chasing down everyone unless they committed another crime
<0> i still wouldnt give the illegal anything more than a temporary guest worker status
<0> illegals*
<3> and your non-side of the debate?
<4> and guest worker NO citizenship
<0> no fast track to citizenship, no eligibility for green card
<8> regarding current illegals, we don't "have to" do anything with their status. If we do, it's out of good graces
<11> A pogrom (from Russian: "??????" (meaning "wreaking of havoc") is a m***ive violent attack on a particular ethnic or religious group with simultaneous destruction of their environment (homes, businesses, religious centers). The term has historically been used to denote m***ive acts of violence, either spontaneous or premeditated, against Jews, but has been applied to similar incidents against other minority groups.
<8> we *could* leave them illegal as-is
<0> until they leave US soil and go through the process like everyone else
<11> Pickle, not sure pogrom applies
<1> mizzy_: like I said - it's incidental that most of the illegals are mexicans
<1> it doesn't matter
<1> it's still law
<0> what do call a m***ive roundup of people who are in violation of the law?
<0> a sweep?
<8> all we _really_ need to do is control the border
<6> mizzy: Pogroms were not always that dramatic. Some simply took the form of making it illegal for Jews to make a living. The purge then took care of itself.
<8> that's a must
<0> sounds pretty humane to me
<10> we need to completely (and i mean completely, under penalty of death) seal the border. all border crossers should be shot on sight. militarized buffer zone 1 mile wide with land mines. then, we can provide amnesty to those already here out of the kindness of our hearts without fear more will come.
<1> ignoring law is ignoring are quality of life and future freedoms
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