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<0> Think about church services if they had to earn enough to pay the property tax on the land.
<1> sintient1, such as prayer programs and construction subsidies
<0> Prayer programs?
<2> Gold is at $606.5 and oil is at $69.10/barrel on the NYMEX..amazing..thank you Iran !
<1> faith based initiatives
<0> Eh hmm.
<3> wow, go oil go!
<0> Exxon be earning yo'll.
<1> "My attitude is, the government should not fear faith-based programs -- we ought to welcome faith-based programs and we ought to fund faith-based programs," he said from the pulpit of the packed Union Bethel A.M.E Church
<0> Exxon beat out walmart on the forbes 500.
<2> Gold and oil ! Making a lot of investors very very rich !
<1> "Faith-based programs are only effective because they do practice faith. It's important for our government to understand that."
<3> i bet chocolate is up too
<3> i love that stuff
<1> He said he church's many efforts -- such as feeding the homeless, teaching neighborhood children karate and running a day-care center -- are a perfect example of the kind of programs the federal government should fund.
<0> He doesn't say religion, but isn't that faith in god a religious idea?
<2> Orange Juice is way up
<1> http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/15/elec04.prez.bush.thursday.ap/
<0> They hand out juice with a bible verse right?
<3> OJ can kiss my ***
<2> Feingold: Are you a commodity investor ?
<3> he murdered those people
<2> He murdered a white woman
<0> Or pray to god for the strength to numb chuck their oppenent.
<1> or the first time in U.S. history, public money would help build churches, mosques, temples and other houses of worship as long as part of those facilities are also used for social programs according to new policy being implemented by the Bush administration.
<3> i am a commodity consumer...yum
<3> cake is way up
<1> http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/faith50.htm anyways atheists are probably biased about faith based initiatives
<1> seriously religions are the worst managed business
<1> cause they always take money in
<2> Daily Telegraph: Iran has successfully developed ballistic missiles with the capability to carry nuclear warheads
<1> no matter if they've reached their budget for the current year
<3> what's the LD50 of living on earth?
<3> what amount of live kills half the people?
<3> in what year will have the babies born today be dead?
<4> johan: have you heard rumors of bunker busting nukes ?
<3> half*
<4> to hit hardened iranian facilities
<1> caspase-9, yeah they've been tested...
<0> How much time does a religious group have to devote to community service to be elligble for federal aid.
<2> Iran 'has bomb and trying to make more' - Dubai: A well-known US nuclear proliferation and terrorism expert told Gulf News yesterday that Tehran not only has the nuclear bomb, it is seeking to "duplicate them in large numbers before revealing their existence to the world". : http://gulfnews.com/indepth/irancrisis/more_stories/10014400.html
<4> i dont doubt it works
<1> sintient1, i doubt there's accountability when doling out faith based initiatives
<1> just like other of bush's plans
<4> but thats nuts that they would think about nuking someone
<5> JOhan: I am ready to deal with this Iran thing now
<0> Enough of this unilateral desicion making!
<2> Publius: Deal with it in what way ? You mean discuss about the situation ?
<0> Deal with it, as if you are going to join the army Publius?
<1> Publius, so am i when seymour hersh said bush would beat the iran war drum last year
<3> Publius: keep it off the President's desk
<1> on the daily show
<1> except he said that it wwas supposed to come last summer
<5> Johan: yes
<5> Bloc: what do you mean?
<1> let me find a vid
<0> I can so easily see how middle easteners can't see why the US won't let them have weapons.
<2> Publius: Tehran, Iran, Apr. 10 Irans hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Monday that the Islamic Republic would give soon give good news about its nuclear advancements, the official state news agency reported <---I wanted to get your comments on this piece of news
<3> what happened with the oil bourse Iran was supposed to open in March?
<0> They see the US attacking muslims in afghanistan and iraq and threatening iran and wonder why we are allowed to have nukes and long range capability.
<2> Do you think Iran already has a nuclear bomb
<0> That is just a hard sell world wide I think.
<5> Johan: I need that link
<5> and I haven't read the enws much in two days
<5> lol
<4> A pre-emptive attack is not [the] monopoly of the US, and North Korea will never sit idle until it is exposed to a pre-emptive attack of the US," the official Korean Central News Agency quoted the Defence Minister, Kim Il-chol, as saying.
<4> hahaha
<4> sweeet
<0> I saw that.
<0> That was in presession of US SK war games.
<2> caspase-9: OMG ! link ??
<4> i think we are probably gonna nuke iran
<1> http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/play.jhtml?itemId=12463
<4> http://smh.com.au/news/world/us-ready-for-nuclear-strike-on-iran-report/2006/04/09/1144521210987.html?page=2
<4> some tactical thing
<1> search for daily show - hersh it's the 2nd video
<4> for hardened targets
<0> The NK general said that SK US war games could be seen as hostile to the NK and nuclear strikes would be justified.
<1> talks about seymour hersh and bush wanting to go to iran
<1> on the daily show
<1> this was last jan
<5> Strasbourg, Apr. 10 Iranian opposition leader Maryam Rajavi called on the West on Monday to end all efforts at negotiating with the hard-line government of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and instead support the Iranian Resistance.
<2> Can the US prevent the human race from succumbing to a nuclear holocaust ?
<1> publius, quite the opportunist:)
<4> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_bunker_buster
<4> hrm
<4> The Bush administration removed its request for funding of the weapon in October 2005. Additionally, US Senator Pete Domenici announced funding for the nuclear bunker-buster has been dropped from the Department of Energy's fiscal 2006 budget at the department's request.
<5> Bloc: things are gonna blow here soon
<0> I think alot of people would rationalize nuclear holocaust as a power shake up.
<5> Bloc: I hope ahmadinejad get lynched at home
<5> gets
<4> so the New Yorker
<0> Giving everyone a chance to succeed again, but that could just be tons of sci fi talking.
<1> yeah, if iran goes...pakistan will go islamists
<1> which is where you'll find the nukes
<4> who speculates (so far as i can tell) that a nuke bunker buster could be used
<4> are just nuts
<2> Its not going to happen, Publius..All who oppose Ahmadinejad are being lynched themselves
<4> cause they yanked funding for such a weapon
<5> Bloc: yup...and if Iran flips you'll see NK and Venezuela act
<0> Can you really see the US using nukes?
<1> pakistan - the biggest muslim nation with nukes
<0> Only in response to nukes.
<4> sittient: i could
<1> sintient1, i can see pakistan using them
<4> if it wasn't a nuke in the conventional sense of the weapon
<0> caspase-9 as a first strike?
<4> the weapon used on japan
<1> sintient1, and the us beating the drum that eventually lead to a nuke
<2> sintient1: Only as a last resort..Iran is the most dangerous foe the US has had to face in a very long time
<4> sintient: sure, against an underground hardened military target
<0> That was in response to suicide kamakaze pilots.
<1> http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/play.jhtml?itemId=12463 <- seymour hersh on us harping on iran a year ago
<5> Bloc: Bush isn't goign to EVER use a nuke
<5> don't pander
<5> not otnight
<5> heh
<3> vote for me and all your marijuana dreams will come true!
<1> Publius, yep i think he will
<2> Publius: Never say never
<1> Publius, any country will if they are attacked
<0> The US would open up the use of nukes on US targets.
<5> Bloc: Bush would only use a nuke if there is a chance a world war will break out
<0> Like ROE would be blown way out of just conventioal warfare.
<1> Publius, just like bush said 'we've been attacked..(by taliban, not iraq)' and we must begin a war
<1> Publius, he'll use a proxy to discuss the argument
<1> Publius, yep
<5> Bloc: whatever the method here, Bush will not act in evil
<5> basically
<1> Publius, the argument isn't when the nukes are luanched
<5> he will do what is best for the world
<2> Washington Post: The Bush administration is studying options for military strikes against Iran as part of a broader strategy of coercive diplomacy to pressure Tehran to abandon its alleged nuclear development program, according to U.S. officials and independent analysts
<0> I think I read some reports that during WWII nukes were used in the field all denied but there were radiation levels that were that of nuke fallout on WWII battlefields.
<1> Publius, it's the diplomatic events that lead to a nuke 2 years down the road
<5> Bloc: will you support this if necessary?
<1> Publius, depends...i didn't support iraq:)
<0> Think of the press reports "US uses nukes to combat nuke threat of Iran." that would not be good.
<5> Bloc: that's because you were working politics.
<5> lol
<1> Publius, i really don't know enough to say either
<0> "You can't have them, because they are so useful, like this."
<1> Publius, watch the video http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/play.jhtml?itemId=12463
<2> Publius: Will you support a nuclear strike against Iran if necessary (if Iran uses unconventional WMD's)
<6> anyone who pays taxes...supports like overalls
<0> Conentional weapons are powerful enough to get the job done.
<3> overalls?
<1> ATdept, sort of:) anyone who doesn't do anything supports
<5> Johan: if that is the only option to stop a world war, yes.
<2> Publius: You must be prepared to answer such tough questions if you wish to have a career in politics
<6> metaphors gentlemen
<0> I heard mcnamarra say there 120 bombing sorties in vietnam that did more damage to human life than the either nuclear attack on japan.
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