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Comments:
<0> follow who funded them both
<1> sxrew cuba
<0> follow the $
<2> sxrew cuba
<0> solve the case
<2> what I am saying is soclism never will work
<3> lunaslave, so you are saying communism is the best?
<2> it conflict with drawin
<2> LunaSlave do you know d rawin
<4> `STINGRAY: I just want the good cigars]
<5> no, it's actually not capitalist at all.
<2> think, use logic
<6> Cuba doesn't feature the competition between firms that you get in western capitalism - but if you took a single corporation and threw state borders around it, it'd end up looking a lot like cuba.
<5> hierarchy doesn't mean capitalism.
<0> accept weve all been fleeced/lied to since conception
<2> cuba is not capitalist, it anticaplisit
<1> tenbar i get a case evey month
<1> timur heya
<0> then use ur rational thinking
<7> LunaSlave, wrong
<2> LunaSlave cuba is anticaptlist, just like you
<4> exacly Timue
<0> follow the $
<8> Cuba is a one company state
<0> follow the $
<5> a single dominant corporation.. isn't capitalism.
<4> er, timur\
<7> no it isn't
<2> Timur- got it
<2> a single
<2> a monpoly
<2> not a caplist system
<2> at all
<7> communism is not compatible with ANY companyh
<6> no, the predominant feature of capitalism is not market competition
<2> that is soclism
<0> ur being force fed vomit
<2> or some form of it
<4> Like SBC for instance
<0> thats been regurgitated
<2> LunaSlave thier no competetion in cuba
<0> for 300 yrs
<2> LunaSlave use dam logic
<2> stop using liberal logic
<2> think
<0> so now carry on the tradition
<0> and speak
<7> communism is compatible ONLY with totalitarianism, that's why ONLY idiots (eg liberals) support it
<9> well LunaSlave finally got the attention of the channel. he/she has only been trying all afternoon to get all the attention hahah
<0> HE IS
<1> janet heya
<2> panini thank god
<1> panini heya
<3> so its about attention
<0> luna is about the only guy that makes sense
<7> hey sting
<9> hey Sting!
<6> markets existed long before capitalism, and exist in what are generally considered non-capitalist societies. what distinguishes capitalism is that the means of production are monopolized by a certain cl*** and the rest are economically compelled to work for those who own the means of production
<2> LunaSlave do you know anyting about drawin
<2> LunaSlave and it had competion
<2> LunaSlave they traided sheap
<0> waterloo
<2> or what not
<0> PWNT
<2> vap0r420 yea
<0> they control everything
<2> they traided not just in coins
<2> it had competion, that is human nature
<2> LunaSlave has never studied drawin
<0> 13 bloodlines?
<2> theory
<0> not much comp
<2> survial of the fittest
<1> luna been drawin flys
<10> Disrespect
<0> now they work together
<2> darwin theory of surival of the fittest
<2> is simple logic
<2> not to liberal
<6> you should read "State Capitalism in Russia" by Tony Cliff - it's a Marxist critique and analysis of the old USSR, written during the 1950's, arguing that in countries with an economic structure like that they hadn't transcended capitalism, merely created a new form of it
<0> "a conspiracy so big couldnt go un-noticed"!
<2> LunaSlave stop cutting and pasting
<0> this be AMEWICA
<11> Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia - Malaysia -- A Malaysian man said he nearly fainted when he recieved a US$218 trillion phone bill and was ordered to pay up within 10 days or face prosecution, a newspaper reported Monday
<6> i'm not
<0> hes making valid points
<7> no need. marxism has been disproven over 100 years ago...
<0> whats the issue if he ppastes
<2> Twobar2 WTF
<0> ur owned?
<6> 'disproven'?
<6> how was it 'disproven'?
<7> correct
<12> those phone lap dances can get expensive
<7> again, only idiots don't know this
<3> marxism is an ideal system...agreed...
<6> marxism is *not* a system
<3> it doesn't work though...
<2> thier no new capitlism, all the ussr had was a black market
<5> I don't buy the idea of 'state capitalism' in Soviet Russia, since Capitalism implies a very specific set of social and political conditions and standards which the Soviets lacked.
<3> ok
<2> Timur- nor do I
<7> but, the world is full of idiots, I'll admit
<6> http://www.marxists.org/archive/cliff/works/1955/statecap/index.htm
<3> wut is it then?
<2> Timur- it was illegal
<2> LunaSlave well then that site is wrong
<6> that's the address for State Capitalism in Russia
<3> purging your opponents? is that it? aha
<2> LunaSlave and I don't care for his opnion
<2> LunaSlave blackmarkets = illegal captlism
<2> not legal
<6> you haven't even read it :)
<2> nor captlism
<2> you pasted it
<2> two times
<6> again, you're missing the point, capitalism isn't distinguished by markets alone
<2> I done with you
<2> that it, I am done, no more liberal logic
<2> that enough for today
<6> if markets were all that distinguished capitalism from other economic systems, we'd refer to feudalism as capitalism, when it clearly wasn't
<2> my dad left cuba, to get way from marxist views
<2> to come to america, and LunaSlave like liberal argue for soclism
<6> there is no marxism in Cuba
<2> LunaSlave tell that to fidel
<2> in his 6 hours speaches
<2> when he uses the word more then once
<6> i don't care how much lip service they pay to the idea
<2> and tell that to the cuban people who are only allowed the same small amount of food
<2> or the retired people, who get paid the same amount
<6> when you actually examine what Marx had to say it has little if anything to do with Cuba or any system like that
<2> each month
<2> LunaSlave I am cuban, not I don't need to read a dam book
<2> I know life in cuba, it marxism
<2> it not captlism, you get thrown in jail if you caught with a ecomonics books in cuba
<2> a simple book on basic ecomonics
<2> and forget the blackmarket, if you get cuaght in the black market thrown in jail
<6> socialism is about workers control
<2> each must have the same
<2> and they control the workers
<6> there is no workers control in cuba
<2> if you don't march, you get kicked out your job
<2> LunaSlave yes thier is
<6> no there's control by a bureaucracy and a party dictatorship. that's not workers control
<7> there is no workers control is ANY system... that's just an illusion
<6> no, there have been examples of workers control, but they've all been crushed by outside force
<7> nope
<5> Marx's analyses are shallow and profoundly faulty.
<9> well LunaSlave, you go and start your own country and make it socialists and see how long you surive :)
<6> Paris in 1871, Russia in 1917-18, Spain in 1936-37
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