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<0> <+Herzen> TomM--, you like 14 years old ,--- hahaha
<1> 16 + 8 is not 32
<1> its 24
<2> Yeah, yeah, I was just redoing the math in my head...
<3> I gotta go, this is too much...where the hell is Twobar when you need him...see you guys....my wife just ask me what I was laughing out loud about. I told her she wouldnt understand. Wouldnt want to give her any ideas...night all!
<2> 24 goddamned years!
<4> Lupine: I hear you were har***ed by this 626 person. I noticed you seemed a vit grounchier than usual early. I'm sorry regardless of how much you believe man
<5> TomM-- has a new *** game tonight
<1> Cathy, did you grow up with a father in your household?
<6> Herzen: You know, if all guys who didn't score on their first two attemps cut off their wangs...
<1> Lupine, i'm being sensitive
<3> US..no game.....Im gonna treat dem two little beauties with a new found respect!! :)
<1> this is my sensitivity quota for the year
<5> lol
<0> Lupine there would be alot less child support cases
<2> that was the first issue I brought up to my second therapist. No. I've never had a stable father figure in my life. You know how many fatherless boys grow up to be perfectly stable hetero***uals? A goddamned lot of them.
<6> herzen: I am sensitive to all the others here, and hate watching all the other channel members get insulted.
<1> Cathy, might not sit down with you for 16 hours a day, but one hour a day for 365 days, and you might make some nice friends while your ate it
<7> Cathy - Why would you *expect* validation for what most consider to be perversion?
<5> Cathy: just try a nice bi***ual girl as a last fling. Then get the operation
<6> Herzen: i suggest a hooker at $50/hour
<0> Lupine a male hooker
<8> Cathy it is significant tho. You didn't have a happy man in your life to model yourself after. You didn't have a father who loved you enough to stick around.
<5> kinda like a bachelor party
<0> with a donkey ****
<2> BoogyMan: Oh, I'm sorry. Are you misperceiving this as a quest for validation? I need no one's validation.
<1> Cathy, Most males who grow up in a household domianted by a female, where a female is the central figure often struggle with gender identity
<7> Cathy - What you are doing screams validate me validate me
<9> this isn't a political channel?
<6> cathy: if you need no ones validation, why are you cutting your balls off?
<1> Cathy, Men do not just happen, boys who grow up without the influence of a father do not just beocme men, being a man is something you learn while developing from a male figure
<2> No, it screams, "I'm not hiding anymore. this is me! This is me!" and I'm getting attacked for it and responding as I may.
<6> cathy: how the hell is it sreaming "this is me"? are you going to run around in nude gay parades, showing your plastic snootch?
<1> The road to recovery isn't cutting it off, its to stop taking the drugs and get your hormones back to normal
<4> Lupine: what happened? I'm sorry but
<1> and then pop in afew tapes of Walker Texas Ranger
<5> ya need a "girly" lesbian then. The manly ones won't be interested
<2> I have uncles I grew up with. I grew up through the boy scouts and the cub scouts before that. I had teachers and fathers of friends. I was not lacking for father figures. I just never had one consistently for a long time. I regret nothing.
<7> Cathy - Noooooo, its scream "I know you don't except my perversion, but I am going to rub it in your face anyway and call you fearful."
<8> lupine .. please don't do that. It's really so unnecessary
<4> marvellous
<10> hi Publius :)
<11> I'm sorry, you can do what you want to do, but to change your gender, and like girls, is just crazy... I think you need another doctor, I can see changing it and wanting to be with men, but being a man, and wanting to be a woman and be with woman, just is weird
<5> I don't think discussion is rubbing it it anyone's face
<5> nobody is forced to discuss
<9> this isn't a political channel?
<2> I don't care if I ever have a ***ual relationship. My genitalia are not for anyone in general. they're for me in particular.
<8> you know it is like watching 25 people pile on one person.
<6> CB: well, what is "unnecessary" is to fraudulently claim you are a female, when you are a male.
<2> Hey, if no one wanted to discuss it, it gets dropped.
<1> CometBaby, I'm trying to be respectful and voicing my view
<10> you're not lost, Gnostic, this is #Politics
<8> herzen I realize that .. you have been. :)
<6> CB: if he was honest, hey.. no problems with that.. i accept some people are rather mentally screwed in the head..
<2> CB: don't worry about it. I've had to develope a thick skin. this is just... armour test trials.
<10> it just got I-jacked by a trans***ual
<6> but dont insult us by claiming you are female when you are not.
<5> well.... I know that some people do not find ***uality so easy to reconcile. That's just life
<7> CometBaby - I don't see why this kind of thing has to be pushed into my face with the expectation of acceptance
<8> okay
<9> Well, I didn't join to discuss hookers or trans***uals
<0> thas what i am saying Boogy
<6> Boogy: right.
<10> s/he has the option of being feminine in some ways, but the option to be female? No.
<2> I hardly expected 100% acceptance. Even 100% tolerance.
<8> boogy I did not say you had to accept it. I said you should respect his right to do it .. it's his life. It doesn't threaten you personally.
<10> no matter how much surgery is performed
<6> cathy: why dont you first try being honest and truthful?
<0> yeh i respect it
<0> we all respect it
<0> but the thing is that we don't have to accept it
<2> Lupine: WTF do you think I came out tonight???
<6> Comet: notice how you are saying "his right" and "his life"? I agree, absolutely, it is HIS right. It is not, however, HER right
<0> and we shouldn't have it thrown in our face
<4> Lupine: would you mind explaining to me what exactly I did to deserve such treatment
<7> CometBaby - Yes, it does. It erodes the fabric of an already decaying society further into the muck of humanist garbage
<8> look .. you all probably do things I don't approve of .. but I respect your right to do drugs .. or smoke .. or get drunk.
<0> yes and?
<6> CB: ah yes, but you should also respect ones opnion that doing drugs is bad
<7> CometBaby - We dont come in here and *DEMAND* that you accept the things we do!
<0> we don't sit here and discuss for an hour and 20 minutes about how drunk we feel
<2> I'm a woman. I may not be female yet, but I am a woman. the proper pronouns are she, her, and address me as miss or ma'am. Hardly anybody here is going to do that. i accept that. I don't care.
<5> hey, the reality is, people are going to be transgendered, or gay or lesbian
<1> Look, you all probably do things I don't approve of, but I do not in any way respect your right to do drugs, or smoke or get drunk
<10> I sympathize with Cathy, but Cathy is not a woman and will never be one
<8> wofly I do .. but thats not the same as being deliberately hateful.
<6> Mathew: no, you are a GUY. You got balls and a ****.
<0> ohh ok
<0> then how about this
<12> wow its the attack of the closedminded rednecks
<6> Mathew: stop lying about it, its damn insulting
<0> we all just put cathy on ignore
<8> go ahead .. test me
<10> he may become a surgically altered male with a daily hormone regime, and he still will not be a woman. He will be a feminized male.
<4> I did not say that
<0> that would be easier than arguing with comet
<0> agreed?
<10> who's mathew?
<6> gloriae: right, and its "political BS" to say otherwise
<6> glori: 'cathy" is really Mathew
<1> Cathy, nice talking to you, good luck with your problems, I hope you can be happy in the future
<7> CometBaby - What is 2 + 2?
<4> I have alos never said anything in the past 5 weeks to indicate I would say that today
<1> I'm off
<7> :)
<10> ok, ty Lupine
<8> glori actually I agree with that
<0> ahhhh
<5> it's just reality.... you can't stop it
<13> herzen <3's trannys
<2> Name me one time in tonight/s chat logs where I've demanded You must validate me. You must agree with me that this ir right and proper. You must accept me as I choose to present. Go ahead and look. they're not in the logs because they never ****ing happened. What you will find is me stating I don't need your validation.
<0> no more hearing about cathy's ***ual fantasies
<6> Publius: huh?
<5> some people will have a ***uality that's not average
<0> that simple
<14> *** changes are rather peculiar...
<15> .k
<14> i'm fully supportive of people who want to do it of course
<10> so what's the point then, just personal display and exhibitionism?
<6> Cathy: um, by using "cathy' and claiming to be a woman
<2> Um, because that's what my name WILL BE CHANGING TO.
<6> gloriae: aka gay pride week marching around nude sticking their genitalia in the face of 5 year olds
<2> Full-blown legal identity change.
<6> cathy: is your name currently Mathew Garrett?
<14> seeing penises does not hurt five year olds
<0> it is one thing to sit here and say "hey i am drinking a beer" its quite another to have an hour long discussion about having a *** change and claim that you are some how a republican who is a libertarian because yo uwant to have a *** change
<10> Lupine: yeah, and leaving the streets ankle deep in litter, far worse than the usual parades which clean up after themselves
<0> grow a ****ing spine
<10> in SF, at any rate
<12> Cathy: the only worse place you could've chosen to come out would be a bar in Nowhere, TX
<2> This whole fiasco tonight is part of my transition. See, I'm in a PROCESS or BECOMING.
<6> cathy: the only thing you are in the process of becoming is, a man with his balls cut off
<6> it sure as hell isn't a path towards womanhood
<10> well, if #politics is going to let this guy I-jack the entire channel discussion, I'll visit another time
<14> and a nicely fashioned artificial vagina
<14> made from his scrotum and so on
<16> why oh why did you ahve to pick this channel to bring this up in
<14> and titties
<7> Shut the nambla squad down please
<17> i like this chat
<2> Opinions are like ***holes. everybody's got `em. I'll throw my lot in with the medical establishment on this one.
<6> ***: naw.. probably be rather fake
<14> there's a nambla squad?
<17> ***bag arent you the president
<14> apparently some men have trouble discerning lovers who have had *** changes.
<0> quite personally i am sick of being shamed because somehow i am a republican that holds some sort of values of moderation
<4> I just something I've wanted to do
<4> I'm educated
<0> and traditionalism
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