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<0> Katey: haha.. bear in mind that for some of these people, female + banning == militant dyke
<1> qasax: mazal tov, but don't know, sorry :)
<2> USA
<3> hey I am the religious right, null, and I don't support anti-gay legislation - congratulations, I have just widened your perspective, and you're welcome
<4> Timur: oh, we'll still have parties etc. but it would stop ignorant fools from just voting for all republican, or all democratic, wtihout even knowing who they are voting for!
<5> so each candidate that got at least a certain number of votes, would get at least 1 electoral vote
<6> kaye, lol
<7> what is the religious right?
<3> concervative Christians and Jews
<5> every single state would matter then
<8> the religious right is a group of people who in general think they know better how to legislate morality than everyone else, and want to do so
<5> no battlegrounds
<5> you fight for every single vote
<9> thx
<4> Null: that's the religious left :-)
<5> you dont have to win the entire state
<3> null is wrong StanelyI he just hates america and the people that live there
<5> only certain parts of it
<10> I think anyone with an opinion imagines that their legislative ideas are superior
<8> lupine: well, i would like to meet the religious people who DONT want to legislate morality -- i haven't met any yet
<6> Null_Ptr, there are plenty
<4> Null: left or right.
<11> The religious right are a group of people who have a certain of ideas that are organized enough as a group to try to direct govt policy
<8> i am talking about self identified "religious right" people
<11> just like say hmmm the gays
<11> or the black caucus
<6> there are plenty of religious people who don't indulge in politics at all
<5> some of them are representatives
<4> personally, I think Sharpton/Jesse/etc do far more real damage to america, than the Pat Robertson/Swagert do.
<7> Half the entire US population cannot accept or understand evolution
<5> and in other government positions
<10> is athiesm a religion? It implies faith. Faith that there is no god
<9> the holy roller right only marches when their candidate runs
<11> I do to lupine
<8> i did not say all religious people are political, i said the religious right is a political group who want to legislate their morality
<9> for example...they are on the march in GA
<6> Gujiri, nope
<5> is bush a member of the 'religious right'
<6> a lack of belief != faith
<3> oops I gotta run
<10> katey: cause I was hoping to cash in on some of that faith based stuff.
<8> StanleyI yes, for convenience, i will refer to those people as ****tards
<1> Stanley: that's just as stupid as people who, say, believe in worldwide Jewish conspiracies.
<2> Null_ptr , I still dunno exactly what Im gonna do there , Im a 2nd year student, so basiclly c, c++ courses were required to p***
<6> Gujiri, sorry. :)
<11> So null you don't think the abortion laws as a legislation of a certain type of morality ?
<3> God bless you folks
<12> Thanks, kaye.
<0> no prob
<2> dont tell me your nick is ( Null pointer) lol
<12> starly is MIA.
<3> especially Null because he hates god
<0> yeah, starly had a few issues earlier
<8> rond i am not sure what that has to do with anything...
<6> Allowing legal abortion isn't legislating morality
<8> ourguy, i dont hate your god, i just worship the flying spaghetti monster
<8> qasax that's because i am a c++ programmer
<6> because a person who is morally opposed to abortion isn't forced to participate
<5> Katey if they change the law, its no longer legal
<8> a person who is morally opposed to abortion shouldn't have one
<6> if it's no longer legal, then that is legislating a moral position
<5> or actually, doesnt even need new law
<5> just recognition of a fetus as a person
<5> Katey no, its not
<6> because it eliminates a person's ability to choose
<5> the constitution protects the right to life
<1> the fake one. ;)
<2> How's the current situation in software engineering over there?
<6> and morals are personal
<6> When choices are eliminated, a moral decision is curtailed
<5> depriving a person of their inalienable right to life without due process is unconstitutional
<6> and the decision has been made for you
<5> all it takes is for people to recognize an unborn child as a person
<5> nothing more
<6> bmc and that hasn't happened
<8> qasax you mean in the united states? it's fine if you are good at what you do. if you are bidding on low end work, that is all farmed out to india now.
<10> I've heard good arguments for and against abortion. One argument had to do with killing babies before 9 months old humanely.
<1> Katey: morals aren't purely personal. They're also shared; and legislation, for example, tends to reflect that.
<12> Katey: (Though I don't agree with this reasoning) A person who equates abortion and murder could say that legalizing abortion is a positive action to use the law to impose a moral position.
<6> eh. all of the people whoa re opposed to allowing legal abortion should be signed up to be adoptive parents to all of the children who will be born as a result. :)
<6> who are*
<7> do those who oppose abortion adopt children and raise them?
<11> there is a back log of people wanting to adopt
<5> Katey all those people who have abortions outside of risk of death or something should be incarcerated for child negligence or if the law permits, murder
<12> Katey: On the other hand, if abortion needed to be separately criminalized (not subsumed by murder statutes) then THAT act is the legislation of a moral postion.
<9> yep
<6> Yaakov, allowing a person to make their own moral decision on the issue isn't 'legislating morality'
<12> i
<10> some people want to legalize euthanization for babies less than a certain month age...
<5> maybe we should have the kids adopted, then force the biological parents to financially support it
<6> bmc, lol
<9> thats why the baby smuggling business is booming
<5> ?
<7> do those who oppose abortion fund the parents ?
<6> bmc, as long as you're willing to adopt several kids who are born if abortion becomes illegal. :)
<8> timur #israel doesn't look like much fun
<5> you want lack of accountability, i want accountability lets have at it, and see what the people think
<1> it can be, sometimes.. just depends.. remember, they're 8 hrs ahead
<6> bmc, the people have already formed an opinion
<6> bmc, most Americans favor allowing abortion in early pregnancy
<5> no they dont
<6> bmc, yep
<6> they do
<12> Katey: Society agrees that murder is wrong, if abortion is murder then removing it from the legal realm of murder is choosing to take a moral stand. That is, if it was previously called murder, then changing that is taking a moral position vis-a-vis the permissibility of abortion.
<7> on each pack of contracptives should be..the unborn will bless you
<5> where is a source?
<6> bmc, it's been mentioned numerous times for years and years
<8> some people are against like abortion without parental consent when a woman is raped by her father
<6> bmc, I ***ume you have a source for your ***ertion?
<5> alot of things have been mentioned
<8> that is just retarded
<11> Funny how you can be tagged as double murder to kill a pregnant woman but its not a murder to abort
<7> why do you lump abortion with murder?
<11> makes no sense to me
<6> rond, depends on how far along she is
<6> and what state you're in
<11> and I know it really makes no sense to anyone else
<12> Katey: But as I sad, I am playing (excuse the expression) Devil's Advocate here. This isn't my thinking, just a consistent and logical way to see it as "legislating morality".
<11> but we do have abortions
<12> s/sad/said/
<7> does a women have the right to abort a retarded child?
<8> "right"?
<5> http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm
<6> Yaakov, legislating morality implies removing the moral decision from the individual
<5> looks like mixed response, depending on the wording of the question
<2> Null,what do you mean, low end work? I was referring to R&D. You see, israeli companies still prefer israeli engineers over indian, because of the knack for innovation ( dont forget who invented ICQ :)) )
<8> qasax yeah icq is another ****ing pit of time wasting, almost as bad as irc
<7> why bring a child into the world if it is retarded?
<12> Katey: No, that is only one form. Allowing "evil" by removing the prohibition from the civil law makes the state the protector of evil doers.
<5> "If the pregnancy was the result of rape or incest" 74 21 6
<12> Katey: So both things are reasonably called that.
<5> support
<5> "If the pregnancy is unwanted"
<5> 43 49 8
<8> qasax i am not the best person to ask about working for intel, i only work for myself
<5> oppose
<11> Yaakov your comments are exactly the line of thinking I had when I raised the question
<5> seems the majority dissaprove of abortion for unwanted pregnancy according to that particular poll
<4> Cry: can you invite pilgrim` ?
<8> i think abortion should be frowned on, but not illegal
<5> they favor it if the mothers life is in danger, rape and incest though
<2> yep, but still those three guyz from tel-aviv univ. got like 400 mills $ for it :))))
<6> bmc, or her mental health
<12> rond: It is a very difficult position, though, because it depends on precedent in law to indicate what the concensus on morality is or was.
<6> bmc, and that was a single poll
<6> the other polls suggest that most americans believe that some access to legal abortion should be available
<6> the end
<11> I think there should be very limited access
<11> on under the darkest of situations
<11> IE Rape
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