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<0> There are no records.
<1> yeah and a ss card is so hard to fake
<2> and if they hire illegals they should be fined and the ceos/managers that hired them should go to jail
<0> Why have any proof you hired illegals?
<2> bgl theres an easy way of checking it, i cant think of what its called off the top of my head
<0> Just have them work and then give them an envelope with cash.
<2> thats the point sintient you make it mandatory
<0> What mandatory?
<2> checking ss#'s
<0> It is mandatory to report employees.
<1> you can check if cc #'s are legitimate too, doesn't mean <x> person actually owns it
<2> i cant remember what that company is called and what they exactly do to verify it
<0> You have to put your ss on a job app, but you don't have to report people physically.
<2> thats a different thing bgl
<0> I mean you are supposed to but you don't have to.
<2> then they should have to
<0> I mean there isn't anything forcing them to .
<1> TheP to make your point you'd have to nullify the existance of identity fraud
<0> THey do have to but they don't.
<1> which is a huge issue
<0> You don't seem to get this.
<2> and if they get caught still hiring an illegal then we throw their *** in jail
<2> stop the jobs
<3> BGL has been a laborer i can tell
<3> he knows the loop holes in all the ideal siutations
<2> im talking about some other program i read about sintient
<0> We are talking about employers not having to pay employee benefits, not having to pay full price.
<2> its some kind of verification of ss#'s
<1> 'social engineer' *cough*
<3> close enough
<0> So they just hire a group of people they work they get paid cash job is done and no one new is on the books.
<1> lol
<0> Everyone is happy.
<2> fine then we catch them another way sintient
<2> its not a catchall
<3> either way you've been on the ground on the topic
<3> this costs money baby
<0> Then we are back to hunting down 12 million people.
<2> no we arent hunting down anyone
<2> we just enforce the laws on the books
<0> The deportation part I just read costs 600 dollars a person.
<0> How do you enforce it without investigating?
<2> this is not about the immigrants and the people imo
<3> the only solution is to offer blacks $500 gift certificate to popeye's for every brown man they catch
<0> Investigating = hunting down
<2> very funny dinge but not relevant
<2> we dont hunt down illegals
<3> the point is there's no one step answe
<2> we hunt down the companys
<0> So pixie has illegals working for him, I read his employee logs.
<2> and punish them severly
<3> oh yeah that'smart
<0> He doesn't have any illegals on them.
<2> so no one hires them
<0> But he pays 10 illegals to do work under the table.
<2> you shut down enough and the others will stop hiring them
<0> You just got off because all I did was investigate your records.
<3> you hae a masiv hard-on for punishing american companies
<2> reagan started this horse**** when he gave amnesty back in the 80s
<3> they make up the economy dood
<0> You don't seem to get it, they have been doing that.
<2> dinge, they cannot hire illegal workers
<3> right
<2> i want to punish them for breaking the law
<0> If you have an illegal working for you under the table how could your system every catch them?
<3> pixie you have been sniffing too much pixie dust
<3> ;<
<0> So you have to hunt down the wrong doers.
<2> i said it wasnt a catchall
<2> stop calling names dinge and stay on the topic :P
<2> you did that earlier too
<0> You have to pay for investigators to go check records and job sites.
<3> i'm just saying your ideas are not realistic
<3> so you want to chasebusinesses out of america
<3> thats throwing the baby with the bath water honey
<0> He is right, in my opinion, you are acting strange.
<0> "Find the people doing wrong, but you don't have to hunt them down."
<0> That is just a non starter.
<3> right
<0> You have to investigate a crime to prosecute it.
<3> its not practical
<1> like i said earlier, plenty of americans already call in illegal activity every day
<2> again i cant remember the specifics off the top of my head sintient, but theres a way we could make mandatory ss # checks mandatory
<3> this isn't russia
<1> however, every time i've seen it, there is actually nowhere to report it properly, nothing ever gets done
<0> Even if you are looking into company owners you still are "looking into it."
<2> like i said this isnt about hunting them down, its about stopping them from working
<2> no jobs, no immigrants
<3> i can go 1/4 mile right now and get ap honey ssn
<2> is it legit dinge?
<3> you can get a phoney ssn outside almost any check cashing place
<0> So what there are still under the table workers.
<3> phoney would imply it is not legit
<2> sintient thats not hunting down illegals
<2> thats going after the company breaking the law
<0> It is actually doing a computer search.
<0> Redflagging them with computer power.
<3> seriously, if you are white in a mexican neighborhood market area, they will come right up to you and try to buy ssn's off you
<3> its a total joke
<2> then law enforcement goes after the under the table workers
<3> thanks for nothing, FDR
<0> So they hunt them down.
<0> You have an aversion to reality.
<3> you start by dumping the minimum wage you'll thin out the herd real quick
<2> you keep reframing what im saying
<0> Investigation, new computer systems, checks and redflags, and punishment is all going to cost money.
<2> its not hunting down illegals
<2> im not going after the illegals, just the companies
<0> The companies are illegal.
<4> When ever I go to la tienda they always just try to sell me fresh chickens.
<0> The companies become illegal and they have to be investigated and prosecuted, time and money.
<2> its been done sintient, ill have to find that article again
<1> nothing good will come from h***ling our own companies really
<0> I am sure it happends.
<1> even if the intent is somehow deemed 'good'
<4> Damn good chicken too, probably not the best healthwise, but then again I slaughtered plenty of my own in my day.
<2> some movie chain thats able to verify ss#'s instant
<0> Just saying it is a huge undertaking.
<0> For every company to get that system.
<0> Make it web based.
<2> bgl so what do we do? just let them hire all the illegals they want and send people across the border to pick them up and sneak them back over?(that happens a lot)
<0> Let everyone check ssn.
<3> that costs $$
<1> obviously american companies have enough to deal with, esp cost
<1> look at outsourcing ffs
<2> itd be cheaper than what its currently costing our entire economy and the american worker im willing to bet
<3> pixie: have you ever hired anyone?
<2> it doesnt have to cost the companys anything
<0> If they have a fake ssn do they pay fake ss taxes/
<2> nope im a minimum wage kid
<2> or close do it
<3> exactly
<2> sintient yeah
<2> close to it
<1> if joe blow american calls his local police dept and says, there's 15 illegals hanging out on this corner just waiting to be picked up, i don't think its unreasonable for something to be done about it
<3> most of the stuff you recommend is not feasible
<0> So that are they costing anyone?
<2> exactly what?
<0> They are paying into the system.
<0> They are costing just as much as a legal worker.
<1> and joe blow american exists in a big way
<2> the money theyre sending back to mexico is mexicos second largest source of income sintient
<3> if you go to any home depot anywhere, you'll find illegals looking for day labor
<2> not to mention all the stories ive heard about illegals flooding emergency rooms in arizona etc
<0> So do legal indian college students.
<2> and other public health costs
<0> They come to america get educated and then leave.
<1> i agree the public services costs is definately a concern
<3> yeah riht
<2> thats different sintient
<0> Take their knowledge or they make a small fortune go back to india and live like princes.
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