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<0> the poll did in fact ask people to take a wild-*** guess, sinc the pollster was fully aware that nobody on earth knows whether or not Saddam was involved
<0> those "polls"
<1> US-Male: so a poll asking whether a registered voter would, at this moment, be more likely to vote for a democratic candidate or a republican candidate, is meaningless because it is just a wild-*** guess? Or rather, is its meaning instead greatly diluted by the uncertainty and long time frame still involved?
<0> those "polls" are more and more common ... "polling" to obtain the truth, is always invalid
<0> ++C: obviously not, since the person being polled CAN vote, and probably KNOWS how he will vote
<2> is Herzen awake?
<3> DS I never thought I would say this...but you are so ignorant about this issue. The last thing Sadaam would want would be Bin Laden in his country with influence. Do me a favor dont call me stupid, or imbecillic but read....I am not a fan of Sadaam and hope he roasts in hell, what I am against is the disinformation this government used to get us into war.
<4> people, to change the topic - i'm concerned that global population will halve itself in 75 years.
<5> Wikipedia defines truth ;-)
<6> oh i dont want her you can have her she is to fat for me
<7> SteelStud, if you hate them then they have already won.
<8> By the way: We now know how to get the terrorists to lay down their arms in Iraq: Zarqawi has just laid it out in a letter: ""First, chase out the invaders from our territory in Palestine, in Iraq and everywhere in Islamic land. Second, instal sharia (Islamic law) on the entire Earth and spread Islamic justice there (...). The attacks will not cease until after the victory of Islam and the setting up of sharia."
<6> fema: no
<8> TomM, you can say such bull**** all you want: You're a liar.
<0> however, "polls" which ask you "Is Madonna a lesbian" are invalid -- they cannot determine the question at hand
<8> You're not stupid: You're a liar.
<0> brb
<3> DS well liar is better I guess! ":)
<8> If you're NOT lying, then you are conclusively an idiot.
<3> oh oh
<8> But you've heard the truth enough to know it. You're just lying.
<9> anyone who uses wikipedia best realize its data comes from Joe Sixpack
<5> nharris, that was meant as a joke :-)
<8> nharris, no, it comes from Joshua College Humanities Major.
<9> hahahahah
<3> DS read....my young buddy read.....go to the library and read...understand the issues....if you do, you will apologize to the old guy! :)
<8> Tom, I've read a hell of a lot more than you have. And moreover I can use the power of reason. You can't.
<10> GAHHH....WALLET HAS A SMOKING HOLE IN IT :/
<11> 650 gigabytes (smile)
<12> Cry -- ohoh
<10> TomM-'s commies boffed it
<11> w00P
<12> FreeTrade -- cool..
<8> Al-Qaeda's leader in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, said in an audio tape put onto the Internet that rockets had been fired at Israel from Lebanon last month "on the instructions" of the network's overall chief Osama bin Laden. "The rocket firing at the ancestors of monkeys and pigs from the south of Lebanon was only the start of a blessed in-depth strike against the Zionist enemy (...). All that was on the instructions of the she
<8> ikh of the mujahedeen, Osama bin laden, may God preserve him,"
<11> Kali, Yeah I am jazzed.
<6> oh i dont want her you can have her she is to fat for me
<1> DStewart: You have a consistent strong tendency to label everyone who disagrees with your conclusions and beliefs a "liar". "Liar" indicates a degree of deliberate falsehood, in contrast to someone who's simply arguing from incorrect factual ***umptions.
<10> FT..yet get the powercable thing solved??
<11> 400 gig sata drive 16 mb $250.00
<13> nice
<13> american or canadaan?
<11> Raid configurable but I dont think I will use any raid.
<10> 250 gig SATA drive 109
<10> lol
<12> FreeTrade-- sounds like it -- now what ya gonna do with it all...
<13> soon american and canadian dollars will be equal
<14> Plus, bull****, TomM was lying
<13> and then the countries will join
<10> prob is...raid 5 costs 1/3 of space...
<10> so have 500 GB storage on this
<11> This computer has Everything I wanted except another 250 gigs ram
<10> lol
<8> no, ++C, I tend to label people who spew out falsehoods intentionally liars.
<10> 250 GB RAM?
<1> Rockfish: I'm not talking about just this one incident, but hundreds of times over the years
<11> then I was at costco and saw western digital sata drive 400 gigs ram $250.00 so I said damn right.
<10> I have maxterrorist HDDs
<11> Now all I need is one more gig of memory and I will have more than I wanted all along, cheaper than any online Dell, Gateway, HP, or Compaq
<10> there ye go FT...
<8> TomM has had the facts proven to him, and the logic presented to him, and he just repeats by rote idiotic non sequiturs and falsehoods: "The hijackers were Sauds. What on earth are we doing in Iraq???"
<10> how much do you have now?
<11> Ive decided this is the way to buy.
<11> The customized systems cost them a lot more money to deal with
<10> DStewart Commie Tommie needs enlightenment
<13> I have 2GB memory and an AthlonXP 3200+
<13> ATI X800 Pro
<8> Zarqawi laid down two conditions for giving up the jihad. "First, chase out the invaders from our territory in Palestine, in Iraq and everywhere in Islamic land. Second, instal sharia (Islamic law) ****on the entire Earth and spread Islamic justice there****. The attacks will not cease until after the victory of Islam and the setting up of sharia."
<10> I have 2 GB and a P IV 3.x series
<11> when they can make 10,000 computers and sell them as is, You take them home and then you customize them and they are cheaper.
<10> DStewart...and the attacks will still not cease...
<10> so we use the USA way
<8> That's "THE ENTIRE EARTH."
<10> sniper bullet tank and MOAB
<11> This has everything I wanted from the chip to the motherboard and to all the basics, double read DVD CD Rom and CD RW DVD RW Drives
<15> thats one guy
<10> FT...hear hear...
<1> DStewart: I get his point perfectly well - that 911 and Al-Quaeda have very little to do with any legitimate rationale for going to war in Iraq. You can debate the validity of this line of thinking, but it doesn't mean someone is speaking non sequiteurs.
<11> I put together prices for months online hoping to get a deal.
<10> dvd and cd burner on this too
<1> or particularly, lying
<12> wow FreeTrade ... fantastic...
<11> Bigoted behavior from this ip/domain
<10> how much did you spend total FT?
<14> Abum, that "one guy" is the functional head of al Qaeda
<8> Not "leave Iraq so they can have a democracy without occupation." Zarqawi has already said that democracy is heresy, and that the goal is the imposition of an Islamic dictatorship in Iraq---the entire Middle East---and then the world.
<11> THe one qualifier is I had to have this $700 Monitor HD ready.
<11> So they had it packaged all it lacked was more HD and More Ram
<11> 1 gig with it, 1 more gig for me to add.
<11> Took my 10 minutes to hook up the 2nd HD tonight.
<8> ++c, I do debate the validity of that line of thinking: And conclude it's not valid. (that's not even a question up for debate.) Thus it IS engaging in non sequiturs. That's what invalidity is.
<15> he wont last forever
<11> Now I am backing up all of documents and settings\user to K:
<8> abum, yeah, that's one guy. The rest of Al Qaeda has long been dedicated, explicitly stated, to the same goal. Not recently. Not this week. For as long as there's been an Al Qaeda.
<15> how long
<11> Though it may not work because of the programs I am running and system files.
<1> DSteart: so are you claiming that 911 and Al Quaeda is closely related to valid justification for invading Iraq? That it was necessary to take out Saddam in order to defeat Al Quaeda?
<8> Now, go country by country and find the Islamic radicals and supporters of Al Qaeda, and see what they have explicitly stated as their goals: Imposition of Sharia law in the countries that THEY are in.
<11> If thats the case ill do it in smaller chunks
<10> it was necessary to remove Saddam for a variety of reasons
<11> ++C, Absolutely
<10> some obvious...some not
<11> The key to ending terrorism is not killing Usama Bin Laden and his 10,000 trainees.
<1> FT: I disagree strongly with you, but I respect that you are willing to lay your cards openly on the table about that.
<10> thats only part of it...
<8> ++C, no. Such a relationship was not a reason for invading Iraq, nor would it be a necessary reason.
<10> the rest involves of taking away their financing ( Saudi Arabia )
<16> It was advantageous to remove Saddam. "Necessary" is an argument that will never be won, since to the far left it isn't "necessary" to preserve America at all.
<17> not only us fighting them, but getting muslim countries to stop them
<11> The key to ending terrorism is to establish a hopeful democracy in the middle of a brutal dictatorship which has become and will become the future of the middle east.
<18> John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) is up for GOP leader
<11> Already Lebanon.
<10> JanetBBBB!!!
<17> crybaby!!
<16> And that opinion only moderates somewhat as you move towards the centre.
<11> Already Syrian is about to lose its leader
<18> that's what the GOP needs, a Boehner leading the way. I mean look at the popularity that got Clinton.
<8> It does turn out that there was some relationship. But if Al Qaeda didn't exist in Iraq (it did, at the time of attack), the overthrow would STILL be justified.
<18> LOL
<18> ahahahah
<10> FT...doubtit
<11> Already, Iran is alienated from the world more and more everyday.
<10> night peeps :)
<11> Already Libya has given up terrorism.
<11> Its the seeds, YOU plant the seeds.
<11> It will take a long time to take strong root.
<8> In an al-Qaeda house in Afghanistan, New York Times reporters found a brief statement of the Goals and Objectives of Jihad:
<8> .Establishing the rule of God on earth
<8> .Attaining martyrdom in the cause of God
<8> .Purification of the ranks of Islam from the elements of depravity
<11> But the final end to terrorism is freedom and islamic democracy.
<11> Which means Democracy to fit their culture.
<19> not every place actually wants democracy
<11> And learning to be educated that the west does not want to kill them or harm them.
<19> democracy is very inefficient
<11> We want them to prosper because people who are happy dont murder people.
<16> beeperz: I'm not aware of any society that has voluntarily abandoned democracy--although Weimar Germany does come close, I'll admit.
<20> ancient rome?
<20> heh
<1> DStewart: I think the neocons in the administration who pushed for the war in Iraq believed the reasons were independently justifiable or worthwhile, completely independently from 911. But had 911 not happened, it would have been a nearly unattainable "sell" to the american public. They took advantage of 911 to propagandize the american people into supporting something they thought worth doing, but wouldn't get supported ab
<19> im just saying, democracy isnt necessarily the natural state of man or the best government choice for every culture
<11> Look, Noone is or has claimed it would be an easy process, but can you not see how getting rid of saddam creates a very hopeful change right in the center of the middle east ?
<12> ++C -- I dunno about that -- someone needed to enforce UN sanctions on a murderous situation
<11> ++C ?
<11> Can you not see that ?
<11> Neocons neocons.
<16> beeperz: And yet, when given the choice, virtually every society that has tried representative government has refused to abandon it willingly.
<12> totally comprehend the process takes time - but it is working already...
<19> if you look at societies that don't have any real contact with the outside world such as the kung in africa, the sambia, native americans, the fore, the mehinaku....all of these cultures evolved in an egalitarian manner. That suggests egalitarianism is the natural state and the capitalism is foreign.
<1> Kaliuna: the world is full of murderous situations. Mugabe. Rwanda. Sudan. and so on...and we just happen to pick Iraq, which was a geopolitical pain in the put, but under containement.
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