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<0> proficiency in english is a requirement of naturalization
<1> so i have a sample size of 0 to work from
<2> Alkaiser: Even if they're responsible for the invention and proliferation of graffiti, poor English skills and whatever you can mention, none of that implies theft, vandalism and drug distribution.
<3> bmc: there are a few exceptions, but mostly, yes
<4> [20:24] <FreeMrkts> Exactly
<4> [20:25] <FreeMrkts> Thats one of the reasons I want them legal, They have to go through crime checks
<4> [20:25] <IRC USER> Yeah, they can stay and I want them too, but I want them documented
<4> [20:25] <IRC USER> Hell, we are
<4> [20:25] <IRC USER> Got a drivers license? :-)
<2> Alkaiser: So either take it back or back it up. :)
<4> [20:26] <FreeMrkts> Their fingerprints turn up on a data base and you arrest them on the spot
<1> i havent seen any legal citizens commit violent felonies either jack***
<5> Well listen polls like to ***ume all of America has an opinion on something based on 1000 people.
<2> Alkaiser: Because otherways it's the exact same form of racism as from Nazi Germany (yes I know it's a clich but in this case it's true; pure, stupid, evidence-less self-***umed racism).
<4> [20:26] <FreeMrkts> it would clean them up also people not workign? And living only off welfare ?
<4> [20:26] <FreeMrkts> They ship thier ***es back
<4> [20:27] <IRC USER> I hope they get this right, if it even goes anywhere
<4> [20:27] <FreeMrkts> Right..
<6> b1ff nobody has! yet you keep perpetuating this myth that illegals get preferential treatment when it comes to committing crimes. Pfft...they go through the same criminal court system!
<1> i havent seen martians hold up a liquor store either, maybe because i never go to liquor stores
<0> whats the percentage of hispanic youth involved in gang activity in southern california
<5> So do I, I base my ***umption on the many criminal illegal immigrants whom I've met.
<4> [20:27] <FreeMrkts> I agree with a lot of the issues a lot of you guys are concerned about..
<4> [20:27] <FreeMrkts> I see this as a comprehensive solution and an economic benefit.
<4> [20:28] <IRC USER> That is exactly what we should be looking for, a win win
<4> [20:28] <FreeMrkts> Cya :)
<2> Alkaiser: You don't seem to understand what I mean.
<1> xtor - what % of people in the federal penn for violent crimes are illegal
<2> Alkaiser: There are many forms of crime.
<2> Illegal immigration is one of them, having an illegal job is another one.
<2> Murder is another one and theft is another one.
<6> b1ff if its more than zero then your point has been disproven
<2> You can easily say from good evidence that they break the law, I AGREE, that's all fine and dandy.
<1> xtor - phoenix has the worst rate of car theft in the country. where do they go? who takes them there?
<4> That is a log from someone whose nick has been hidden. The point is he was as dead set against amnesty or pubnishment and then work permits as anyone..
<0> seal the border, start sending the current wave back, stiffer penalties on employers
<2> What I'm curious about, are these three specific forms of crime; theft, vandalism and drug distribution.
<1> hows that?
<4> As anyone on this channel.
<0> if the worker uses false documents, youd know it when you sent in the paperwork
<5> Listen considering the past 2 bicycles I've owned in the past where jacked by illegal immigrants i saw with my own eyes and my stolen car when it was recovered has Mexican cd's in it, I don't like illegal immigrants.
<0> youre required to let them go
<4> But as he learned more about the comprehensive plans he has changed his mind, he now supports the comprehensive plan.
<7> Armon they can be yes
<6> b1ff illegals and legals can both commit carjackings but if EITHER gets caught they WILL get prosecuted for grand theft auto. I dont see your point.
<8> a point not really touched on though is that are illegals going to become as obese and lazy as native americans
<7> Carjackings carry more serious penalties
<0> what is the penalty right now, for `Illegal Entry'
<9> i am all for amnesty and work permits, its not mexicans fault that we were lax on our border, thats our own fault, to act suddenly like its all mexicans fault is complete bull****
<5> Grafitti = Vandalism
<7> Zor...their kids..who knows...
<5> So that ones off the list
<1> "Today, criminal aliens account for over 29 percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities and a higher share of all federal prison inmates."
<0> what is the penalty right now, for hiring workers not eligible to work in the US
<8> isnt this like a huge tax hike if things go south
<6> Alkaiser the illegal immigrants you seem to be complaining about are the ones that also STEAL besides hopping the border(immigration violation) and working for cash(immigration and IRS violation). The immigrants who are supposed to get work permits are just those who have committed nothing other than immigration violations.
<7> first generation illegals often bring native work ethic to USA though
<8> in say 30-50 years
<1> In March 2000, Congress made public Department of Justice statistics showing that, over the previous five years, the INS had released over 35,000 criminal aliens instead of deporting them. Over 11,000 of those released went on to commit serious crimes, over 1,800 of which were violent ones (including 98 homicides, 142 ***ual ***aults, and 44 kidnappings). In 2001, thanks to a decision by the Supreme Court, the INS was forced to release into our
<1> collectively had been convicted of 125 homicides, 387 *** offenses, and 772 ***ault charges).6
<10> b1ff: so?
<9> hell we should be damn proud of the fact we have so many people that want a better life in the USA than in their own countries
<1> why did the ins release them instead of deporting them
<6> b1ff ok so 29% are aliens...some of them must have green cards. But once again thats irrelevent because those CONVICTS are not eligible for work permits. They are eligible for nothing besides deportation!
<7> maybe they were OTMs
<1> and im sure your words are comfort to the peoples families they raped and killed.
<5> illegal immigrants in general are violent, selfish human beings and shown by their disregard for the border law have no problem farther breaking other laws.
<1> no xtor these are illegal aliens
<7> Alkaiser not fair to generalize them that way
<9> thats exactly it Cry
<10> b1ff: why do you depend upon government to secure your borders? they obviously either don't give a rat's *** or are doing what they're doing intentionally.
<6> b1ff no matter what they are, these are NOT the ones that are supposed to get a work permit. The work permit ones are supposed to be those with NO CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS OR PENDING CHARGES
<7> when I lived in the barrio....
<11> lol
<5> Well what can citizens do go there and shoot people on site?
<5> No they can't.
<7> it was the US born whiteys on other side that were the lazy welfare cheats
<10> Alkaiser: people can do whatever they want. they're the majority, not the government.
<11> <+Alkaiser> illegal immigrants in general are violent, selfish human beings <--- wha?!
<9> AAAAAAAAAa freakin MEN!
<7> the illegals around me would have 2-3 jobs
<9> Go Cry Go!
<12> If I was born in a backwater country just next to a big*** economically strong nation with a strong myth of self-realisation connected to it, I would be an illegal alien too.
<7> this is from direct personal observation
<8> for now though
<8> what about that obese mentality we all have
<8> that spoiled brat like life
<6> alh good point. And you wouldnt be a car jacker but some people here would accuse you of being one.
<8> will that not rub off on immagrants as well
<11> Cryolas, I observed much the same when I lived in an area that had a large hispanic immigrant population (both legal and illegal)
<12> xtor: jupp
<7> what often happens though is the work ethic that allowed them to barely survive back home....makes them a lot of money here
<7> interesting Katey eh? :)
<2> Alkaiser: Okay, I'll give you vandalism in the form of graffiti, a bull**** problem you can fix by simply not giving a damn.
<11> Cryolas, well, it's not really all that surprising. First generation immigrants are oftend described this way, regardless of where they're from
<9> Cry, tats the one thing I don't get, we won't kick these welfare forks off the government dole, and because we are willing to give them money from the government dole, they refuse to work, so what happens? these companies have to get a workforce from somewhere...
<11> Armon, lots of vandalism and graffitti being done by US citizens
<2> Alkaiser: The theft case is from your own personal experience which is entirely anecdotal and doesn't prove or even imply anything empirically.
<9> i guarantee you, you kick these people off welfare, they will be in the fields working or they will starve to death
<2> Alkaiser: The drug distribution thing is still just an ***umption.
<7> now I also knew some pan oriental immigrants......
<8> its a catch22
<11> if you made every illegal immigrant disappear tomorrow, there would still be plenty of violent and non violent crime
<2> Katey: That's my point exactly. His "evidence" simply aren't good enough.
<8> its like bandaiding the situation
<7> 16 hours a day working was nothing to them
<4> Back, Sorry buisness interruption
<6> 80% of these illegals are probably workaholic, smart, ethical honest people. 20% or lower would be bad apples. But its the good ones that are supposed to get legalized. The bad ones are NOT supposed to be given any reward for their lifestyle so quit ***ociating the good 80% with the bad 20% or whatever the proportions are.
<13> WHOOOOO
<13> Tonight at 7:00!
<2> And after that, Alkaiser seems to confuse statements with evidence.
<9> FT, can you fix that Ban tiolee (~tiolee@host-84-9-198-185.bulldogdsl.com) has joined #politics
<9> [12:13] * moderatum sets mode: +b *!*@host-84-9-198-185.bulldogdsl.com
<13> Braves. v Phillies
<13> bahahahah
<1> katey, 100k angry illegals are about to congregate 3 blocks from my house
<2> By repeating the statements which I was demanding evidence for. Thus, no evidence, merely the conviction.
<9> FT, can you fix that Ban tiolee (~tiolee@host-84-9-198-185.bulldogdsl.com) has joined #politics moderatum sets mode: +b *!*@host-84-9-198-185.bulldogdsl.com
<2> There's a word for exactly that kind of behaviour, and it's "racism".
<11> b1ff, ok
<2> Believing that alien feeling we all have.
<9> it keeps unbanning and then resetting
<6> b1ff some of them are probably angry because they are being accused of being thieves and murderers
<7> armon I prefer cultural intolerance...
<10> Katey: would it be racist to say that the majority of violent crime in this country would be eliminated by deporting all blacks and hispanics?
<2> I mean, I grab my wallet when I see a black person... it's not because I think they're more likely to steal from me, but because 99% of Iceland is white and I'm unused to them.
<7> since humans are one race
<2> I still get the racist FEELING, but because I'm not a racist, I refute that FEELING on what I actually KNOW.
<11> Zaw, well, it would be inaccurate.
<2> Thus not a racist.
<7> heh Black folks in Iceland
<2> Alkaiser seems to simply believe his own primitive emotions.
<4> Back
<2> Cryolas: Cultural intolerance, agreed.
<6> Zaw I think the majority of violent crimes are still comitted by homegrown whites. Whites are still 75% or more of the population.
<4> biff, They are not angry..
<10> Katey: if the department of justice had statistics showing that the majority of violent crimes were committed by blacks and hispanics, would it them be accurate? and if so, would that be racist?
<7> I would think Iceland would be near pure Anglo
<13> o_O
<4> I have seen the video cameras of Fox News at the scene in AZ..
<2> Zaw: The stats probably don't lie, but their implications are easily misinterpreted.
<4> They will be carrying 95% American Flags.
<10> xtor: the first part of your thinking is false, although the second is mostly true.
<7> Free just wait until after elections this year
<11> Zaw, it would not eliminate crime to deport minorities who tend to be disporportionately on the bottom of the heap. Other people would simply take their place on the bottom of the heap and commit crimes
<2> Zaw: For example, stats simply do not account for cause and effect. Thus, the reason for them ending up on a police file is not necessarily that they're more likely to commit these crimes, it might just as well that they're more likely to get busted in the process.
<7> if Napolitano loses..I bet AZ governor will seal AZ border
<6> Zaw I remember reading somewhere that 50% of all prison inmates are whites. Am I wrong?
<4> I saw americans burning Mexican Flags which makes then as bad as people in the middle east who burn flags or as bad as a Mexican burning an American Flag, I think it is disgusting to burn any flags in the world.
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